[bigbangtango] Re: [Paleopsych] Morality
kendulf at shaw.ca
Sun Mar 27 07:30:41 UTC 2005
Communist jokes came not only from Russia, but occupied countries as well. A
good many are about Russians - understandably. Escapees from the paradise
behind the Iron Curtain published books of such. Thanks for the tip about
Mark Twain; I need to find an original English copy. I read him in the
1940's and 50's. Cheers, Val Geist
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From: "G. Reinhart-Waller" <waluk at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [bigbangtango] Re: [Paleopsych] Morality
> Hi Vole,
> I find your explanation of Lutherans fascinating, especially the religious
> thugs. This is the group I'm intimately familiar with. Yep, I might even
> compare them to the KKK....they're really scary and clueless. Too bad all
> the jokes from many of our finer folks have gone the way of podunk. Humor
> is something I was raised with as a child and something now I never hear.
> Tis a pity I must say.
> I know lots of Russian jokes but as far as Communism ones, I can't seem to
> separate the two. Hmmm, could it be something that Breznev said? Yes.
> Yes. Maybe a tale about landing on the moon?
> Both Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer were politically incorrect in the 1960s so
> I'm not surprised you found an unwatered down version reading them in
> German. Americans hated the word Nigger et. al used by Huck and that
> started the squabble.
> Wow....your stream of consciousness is wonderful....so knowledgeable about
> American Literature. But I must confess......as an English major the only
> Lit I avoided was Americn. I found it too undisciplied and too WILD for
> my tastes. So be it.
> Humor is a wonderful way to express inner feelings only my German inlaws
> haven't seen the light.
> Take care,
> Val Geist wrote:
>> Now, now Garry, not all the Lutherans I know are big hugs. Some are
>> religious thugs, extremists every bit as pathetic and pitiful as
>> religious thugs with other labels. However, the worst I only met on this
>> continent, where I first became aware of the Lutheran split into two
>> factions, one truly mindless in its religious zeal. They are as
>> representative of Germans as the Klu Klux Clan is of Americans. A
>> collection of pitiful creatures both and neither of great interest to me.
>> And, yes, the protestant north of Germany does abound in less humor than
>> the Catholic south, where I have most of my contacts, but they do share
>> historically a rich ethnic humor just the same. But again, humor is a
>> wonderful human attribute that transcends ethnicity despite a rich sample
>> of Jewish jokes, Polish Jokes, Newfie Jokes....Come to think of it what I
>> will miss about Communism is the loss of Communist jokes, you know the 25
>> year, 10 year, 5 year varieties (if you got caught telling the first
>> type: 25 years in jail! ...the second: 10 years in jail.. etc). Nazi and
>> Communist jokes both debunk authority in a juicy fashion, and though I
>> appreciate both, its nice to know that they will be appreciated less and
>> less as time goes on. I am a great fan of Mark Twain (his debunking of
>> the German language is truly priceless, almost as good as his debunking
>> of the writing style of James Fennimore Cooper). I read and re-read - in
>> German translation - Tom Sawyer about 12 times, and got a shock reading
>> it in English: the German translation was funnier! My heroes in humor
>> transcend nationality and I am a fan of all of it. We do not remember
>> heads of states as humorous, but Germany had one, Fredrik the Great, a
>> king who wrote and conversed in French, who wrote 32 books, crossed
>> swords with Voltaire, wrote classical music good enough to be honored by
>> the Toronto symphony with a night of his compositions, adored by Napoleon
>> for his military skills, but remembered best of all for his humor. In the
>> Seven Years War, he first fought at Rossbach against the French and
>> defeated them. A contingent of French officers stood under guard in the
>> evening, clearly not in the best of mood. A lonely horseman approached
>> them, and they recognized the king who had defeated them. Fredrick
>> halted, tipped his hat to the French officers and a hush fell over the
>> dejected crowd. "Gentlemen" the king said. "I was expecting you. But not
>> so many and not so soon". At war with France, and yet he was the rage in
>> Paris! War humor? Maudlin! The humor of this wonderful American, then a
>> youngster marching with Patton's army, moves me to tears. And it moved
>> Patton to white rage who wanted Maudlin court-martialed for his cartoons.
>> This young man saw not the enemy as the evil, but war itself within which
>> friend and foe were caught helplessly, and he had - ongoing! - the
>> courage to portray it as such. The great Will Rogers once said in his
>> cow-boy humor that at all times there is somebody somewhere who does in
>> dead earnest what brings smiles to the faces of the rest of us. Maudlin
>> must have been listening, for he debunked his country's war
>> propaganda....despite his superior's rage! That's what heroism is all
>> about. That kind of humor could not thrive on the other side, alas, but
>> it was present. Germany has a rich history in humor going back to
>> medieval times: Till Eulenspiegel, Simplizius Simplizissimus, Baron von
>> Munchhausen and there is no shortage in the recent. "The Captain of
>> Koperick" a true story debunking the Kaiser's military culture, set as a
>> play by Carl Zuckmayer, a WW I hero decorated with the highest German
>> military honor, the Kaiser's "Pour le Merit", a Jew who had to flee
>> Germany and spent the war in the USA. Humor and tears are not far apart.
>> And it's not because you laugh till you are in tears! After all, the
>> court jester was valued because only he could say the truth to the king!
>> "Weisspferdl" (little white horse) was a wartime humorist on stage in
>> Munich. He appeared one night on stage with three pigs: a boar, a sow and
>> a piglet. "/Ladies and Gentlemen, may I introduce to you the Family Mann!
>> This is Boy Mann, this is Frau Mann, and this/" and he pointed to the
>> big, fat boar " /*is Hermann*/!". he was promptly hauled off to jail for
>> insulting Hermann Goering. After his jail time he appeared on stage. In
>> trot the three pigs - a turmoil broke out in the audience! "/Ladies and
>> Gentlemen, whom have I brought with me?/" The audience roared "/Die
>> Familie Mann/". Quieting the turmoil he shouted "/No, No/. /This is not
>> the Family Mann. These are merely pigs, pigs and nothing else. An this/"
>> and her pointed to the boar" is /the goddmned fat hog I sat three days in
>> jail for/!". Weisspferdl is dead now, but the citizen of Munich erected a
>> small stature of him and he is well remembered. And Germany is a culture
>> that has suffered a lot of suppressed truths, and humor is one way to let
>> it out. Sorry that you had such run in with Lutheran sour pusses. Cheers,
>> Val Geist
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "G. Reinhart-Waller" <waluk at earthlink.net
>> <mailto:waluk at earthlink.net>>
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>> Subject: Re: [bigbangtango] Re: [Paleopsych] Morality
>> > How interesting that all the Lutherans you've known give hugs. I've
>> > known quite a few (Germanic through and through) and most of them
>> > smile. Yet, to each his own.
>> > Sadat was assassinated.....guess there were a few who didn't connect
>> > with his message. Sad though about his death. Apparently the timing
>> > then was incorrect to denounce Iranian ayatollahs. I even doubt if
>> > timing would now be correct.
>> > Why would Luther or anyone be self-righteous towards the poor....that's
>> > like claiming to be emperor of ice cream. Luther could not relate to
>> > poverty.
>> > The German welfare state will be the downfall of the country.....what
>> > with worker expectations of high salary, long vacations, pre-paid
>> > benefits, etc. the country can no longer sustain its workers.
>> > Regards,
>> > Gerry Reinhart-Waller
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