[Paleopsych] From Eshel--A Glitch in Genetic-centrism--Joel
kendulf at shaw.ca
Tue Mar 29 16:32:38 UTC 2005
In reading your commentary I am thrown back to the year I spent at he institute of Konrad Lorenz, before he was awarded the Nobel Prize. What you discuss was then subject of very lively attention especially since Lorenz's institute was paired with an institute on cybernetics, then run by Mittelstaedt. However, the ideas went back to the great Erich von Holst, who had investigated neural functions. What Hawkins speaks about is the ancient, but exceedingly serviceable concept of pattern matching as perception and which von Holst enriched by the "re-afference principle". Lorenz responded by publishing in 1973 what is, in my judgment, his best work, a book on the natural history of cognition, entitled in German "Die Rueckseite des Spiegels" (The backside of the Mirror). I have no idea if it was translated into English. However, I made good use of it and the discussions in Lorenz's institute to write the second chapter of my Life strategies book, only that I applied it broadly to animal behavior, and a lot of human include (intelligence, creativity - among others). I also traced back some of the older literature. Its absolutely fundamental material for an understanding of the evolution of organismal life strategies, let alone higher cognitive functions. It refers to very ancient processes without which life as we know it could not function. The Wednesday morning seminars at Lorenz's institute were the sharpest intellectually I have ever had the pleasure of attending. Unfortunately, some of that excellence arose from the animosity between the three institutes united at Seewiesen by the Max Planck society. Cheers, Val Geist
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Joel--What you say below sounds right to me. If I understand it rightly, time is a recursion of boundary-making, an iteration of a differentiating and aggregating process, a multiplier of the voids spaced between the nodes of isness, and a grower of the clusters between the voids--as in your cellular automata model. It makes sense.
And it fits with the notion that time is the most critical aspect of perception, an idea that Jeff Hawkins proposes in On Intelligence, one of the few new-idea-generating books I've read in a long time. Perception in Hawkin's view is a flow, a music. As in music, we spot thje sensory world's ur-patterns, its repetitive themes and their variations.
In higher cortical regions, we create invariant representations of a stream of sensations, we sift the themes from of a parade of sense-impacts, we capture the pattern of a surge of impressions that follow each other like the notes in a melody. Hawkins thinks of these invariant representations as "Name that Tune"-style song-spotting. We send the prediction that the name of the tune--the invariant representation-- implies back down to the sensory level of the cortex. If the song title predicts the incoming stream properly, everything is fine. If the incoming signal-surge no longer follows the melody predicted by the song title, more cortical regions are forced to rush in and try other song titles, other invariant representations, other names for the possible melody.
The cosmos is process. Time is as critical to understanding as are "things".
Perception has to mirror the cosmos to work. So perception is a time-process, a temporal-flow-identifier-and-predictor, a future-projector that works by taking what's past and flipping it forward, sometimes with a new twist. Music is practice for future-projection, for identifying patterns in the flow. New musical styles and new songs are practice for the novelties that may lay around the bend. Howard
In a message dated 3/28/2005 11:07:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, isaacsonj at hotmail.com writes:
I actually think more in terms of an Ur-Process that leads to Ur-Patterns.
In my view, our cognitive apparatus is comprised of zillions of those
Ur-Processes, interlocked in certain ways. The very elemental Ur-Process
involves local recursive discrimination of differences. Repeat: LOCAL
DISCRIMINATION OF DIFFERENCES is a key. Interlocution of many
Ur-Processes yields global Ur-Patterns that are pervasive in Nature, at all
(Biology and genetics are subsumed under these processes and involve the
Such Ur-Patterns come to our awareness as "snapshots" during the incessant
flow of the Ur-Processes.
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