[extropy-chat] Extropy #15 Timeline

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From: "Hal Finney" <hal at finney.org>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:51 PM
Subject: [extropy-chat] Extropy #15 Timeline


> Max More wrote:
> > It would be
> > interesting to dig out the issue of Extropy that featured a range of
> > predicted dates for various events. I recall that Eric Drexler had
highly
> > optimistic projections, but others looked to 100+ years for many of the
> > items listed. I think I was somewhere in the middle. If anyone has the
> > issue at hand along with an OCR scanner, it would provide some
interesting
> > data points.
>
> Coincidentally, someone posted this URL on the FX (idea futures game)
> discussion list:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030212092807/www.lucifer.com/~sean/N-FX/.
> This is a Wayback Machine archive of an article on nanotech timelines,
> and it includes a link to the Extropy issue which had that article.
> Unfortunately, the archive failed to capture that issue, but the link
> does identify it as Extropy #15, which I happen to have, and I can go
> ahead and type in the data.
>
> The predictors are Gregory Benford; Steve Bridge; Eric Drexler; FM-2030;
> Mark Miller; Max More; and Nick Szabo.  These predictions are from 1995.
> Explanatory notes include:
>
> Szabo - "The first number is when something might be possible under ideal
> engineering, economic, and politilcal conditions.  'now' means we could
> have done it already.  The second number is the practical prediction,
> based primarily on the viewpoint of starting a business..."
>
> Bridge - "My answers are based on when something will 'actually happen'
> rather than on when it will be possible."
>
> Miller - "I will use the following variables: N = Now, 1995; S =
> Singularity; DAF = Design Ahead Factor....  I predict Singularity as
> occuring between N+10 and N+40.... I introduce a Design Ahead Factor
> which I define as 10/(S-N).  If Singularity occurs in 10 years, DAF is 1.
> If Singularity occurs in 40 years, DAF is 1/4."
>
> Here is the table, modulo possible typos.  You will need to use a
monospace
> font to get the columns to line up:
>
>     Benford             Drexler                 Miller
Szabo
>             Bridge                  FM-2030                         More
>
> Frozen Organ Transplant Is Routine
>     2020    2010        never       1990s+      N+20 if (S>N+30)
1999-2008   2020-2030
> Two Century Biological Lifespans
>     2150    2050/2140   never       2010-2020   never
2015-2040   2040/2100
> Indefinite Biological Lifespans
>     2300    2080        1967                    S+50
2020-2045   2090/2150
> Reanimation for Last Cryonics Suspendee
>     2100    2060        2006-2021               S+6*DAF
2025-2055   2050/2200
> Reanimation for Current Cryonics Suspendees
>     2200    2090        2006-2021   2020        S+10*DAF
2030-2100   2400/2410
> Biotech Cures for Most Heart Disease, Cancer & Aging
>     2030    2030        never       1990s+      S+10*DAF
2015-2040   2090/2130
> Fine-Tuned Mood/Motivation Transformation Drugs
>     2010    2020        ?-2021      1990s+      N+10
1998-2010   2040/2050
> Genius Drugs (>20 pts permanent IQ increase for most people)
>     2030    2020        ?-2021                  S-10 to S+10*DAF
2020-2060   2010/2050
>
>     Benford             Drexler                 Miller
Szabo
>             Bridge                  FM-2030                         More
>
> Human Germ-Line Gene Therapy
>     2040    2007/2025               1990s       N+20                2010
now/2010
> Human Child Gestated Completely in Artificial Womb
>     2020    2050                    2010-2020   S-5 to S-2*DAF
2015-2035   2100/2120
> Cloning of a Human Being
>     2050    2020                    2010        S-5 to S+4*DAF      2010
now/2010
> Completely Genetically Composed Children
>     2060    2050
2015-2020   2060/2100
> Extinct Species Reanimation (from preserved DNA)
>     2100    2025        ?-2021                  N+5 to S+1
2010/2020
>
>     Benford             Drexler                 Miller
Szabo
>             Bridge                  FM-2030                         More
>
> Cryonics Industry Revenues $1 billion/year
>     2035    2015                    2010-2020   N+30 (if S>N+30)
2015-2020   now/2020
> Nanotech Factories
>     2100    2030/2050   2006-2021   2010-2020   S-3 to S+1
2015-2030   2070/2080
> Atomically Detailed Design for Self-Reproducing Drexler-style Assembler
>     2070    2015        1998-2010               N+7
2000-2015   2100/2100
> High-Degree of Freedom Cell Repair Nanomachines
>     2075    2040/2060   2006/2021   2010        S+2*DAF
2160/2180
> Reproducing Nanotech Assemblers
>     2080    2025        2004-2019               S-3 to S+1
2020-2030   2120/2140
> Really Cheap Fusion Power
>     2100    2040                    2010-2020
2010-2020   2200/2210
> Nukes as Cheap as Tanks
>     2105    2015
2040-2050   2100/2150
> Nukes as Cheap as Handguns
>     never   never
2200/2250
>
>     Benford             Drexler                 Miller
Szabo
>             Bridge                  FM-2030                         More
>
> Most Publications are Electronic
>     2015    2015                    1990s+      N+10 to N+30        1999
2000/2005
> Most Intellectual Publications are on Web
>     2001    2008                    late 1990s  N+5 to N+30
1999-2002   2000/2005
> Information Storage $0.01 per Megabyte
>     2010    2020                                N+1 to N+10         2015
2010/2010
> Computer Implanted in Brain
>     2015    2045                    2010        N+1 to N+10
2020-2050   2010/2020
> Human-Brain Equivalent Computers on a Desk
>     2030    2030        2004-2019   2010        S-3*DAF             2030
2040/2050
> Human-Level A.I.
>     2030    2050        2004-2019   2010
2040-2150   2150/2200
> Uploaded Minds
>     2060    2125        2006-2021               S+7*DAF
2040-2100   2300/2400
> Uploads Running 1000x Faster than Humans
>     2080    2125        2006-2021               S-3*DAF
2045-2100   2450/2450
>
>     Benford             Drexler                 Miller
Szabo
>             Bridge                  FM-2030                         More
>
> Big Fraction of Economy Off Earth
>     2200    2100        2006-2021               S+20*DAF+20
2100-2200   2150/2200
> Big Fraction of Economy out of Solar System
>     2800    3000        2011-2026               S+20*DAF+(50-200)   3000
2400/2500
> Comet Mining, Javelins, Drugs, etc. (robotic space industry)
>     2080    2075        2006-2021                                   2050
2040/2060
> First Person on Mars
>     2050    2025        2006-2021   2010-2020   N+15 to S+2*DAF     2025
2040/2060
> First Person in Another Solar System
>     2400    2085        2011-2026   2030-2050   S+10*DAF+20
2150-2400   2200/2400
> Reproducing Comet Eaters
>             2070
> Reproducing Asteroid Eaters
>     2150    2045        2006-2021
2050-2070   2140/2180
> Reproducing Starships
>     2300    2200        2006-2021               S+2*DAF
2350/2400
>
>     Benford             Drexler                 Miller
Szabo
>             Bridge                  FM-2030                         More
>
> 1,000,000+ People Using Anon. Electronic Cash
>     2010    2020                    1990s       N+10toN+30 to never
1999-2006   1997/1999
> 30%+ of Labor Telecommutes
>     2015    2030                    1990s       never               never
2000/2050
> Untaxable Economy Using Electronic Cash $100b/year
>     2020                                        N+20 to never
2010-2115   1997/2005
> Ocean Colonization
>     20020   2020/2045                           never
2010-2050   now/2040
> Most Education Privatized
>     2005    2050                                N+10 to S+50
now/2040
> Most Law Enforcement Privatized
>     2010    2095                                S+50 to never
now/2150
> Most Law Choice Privatized
>     2020    never on Earth                      S+20*DAF+20tonever
now/2150
> National Defense Privatized
>     never   never on Earth                      never
now/2200
> Betting Markets a Big Policy Influence
>     never    never                              S+20*DAF+20
2000/2100
>
>
> Lots of figures here, and it's pretty hard to see the logic behind some
> of them.  Benford and Szabo put Reproducing Starships out in the 24th
> century, while Drexler could have them coming out the year after next.
> Actually, Drexler is kind of a one-note-Charlie here, putting almost
> everything in the 2006-2026 time frame, even Big Fraction of Economy out
> of Solar System.  I guess he assumes a nanotech singularity scenario.
> The interstellar economy would presumably be self-reproducing space probes
> zooming away from Earth in all directions and furiously converting nearby
> star systems into computronium or some such.
>
> I see Benford and Szabo as the most conservative, with Bridge and More
> taking a middle ground, and Drexler and FM-2030 being the most aggressive.
> FM's predictions don't make much sense to me but maybe they should be
> thought of as somewhat metaphorical or poetic, which is how I perceive
> his writing.
>
> Other interesting aspects of the survey include the topic selection,
> which is kind of a snapshot of the items of interest to the Extropian
> community in the 1995 time frame.  I also note the absence of Eliezer
> Yudkowski's influential conception of the Singularity as a sudden
> transition to world whose rules, possibly even whose physics, are
> determined by AIs of virtually infinite intelligence.
>
> Hal
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