[extropy-chat] "The Spike" - Raymond Kurzweil

Kilroy kilroy at hush.ai
Thu Oct 30 23:29:26 UTC 2003

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:10:27 -0800 "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury at aeiveos.com>
>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Kilroy wrote:
>> The health risks of a_steroids have been vastly
>> overstated by the medical establishment.  The
>> resulting "violent tendencies" are in my experience
>> not as dramatic as those you get from drinking coffee,
>> or (for other people) alcohol.
>Well, I may be wrong, but what I have read suggest that
>the violent tendencies are real.  Though I would certainly
>agree that alcohol can lead to similar problems -- though
>the causes are quite different.

Some people are more violent when using a-steroids.
Some people are less violent when using a-steroids.
The press has been highly selective in
seeking out negative cases to write about,
out of the millions of users in America.
They have also always lumped all a-steroids together.
Nobody has ever had "roid rage" off of Anav_ar,
Primo_bolan, or Win_strol.  Most of those cases
come from people using Ana_drol, Fina_plix, or Halo_testin.

>> Once the basic risks are assessed and the remaining
>> problems addressed, why not?
>But much of your note suggested that it will be difficult
>to address those problems (at least with respect to HGH).

Don't know yet. The risks I talked about are with
injected HGH. HGH production has already been
increased in mice by turning on genes for it
only in skeletal muscle tissue and not in
smooth muscle tissue (like the heart). This
solves some of the problems.

>The most basic risk I see is that problem with people who
>are not well informed about potential risks and simply do
>not understand that "more" is not always "better".

But that takes us back into the whole "protect
people from themselves" argument that gave us
the FDA and social security and prohibition
and other things most of us here don't like.

kilroy was here

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