[extropy-chat] Eugen Leitl, you got Klez
brian_a_lee at hotmail.com
Mon Feb 9 22:34:06 UTC 2004
The problem is that your content is sent as an attachment. If you did your
signatures inline then outlook express wouldn't have a problem with your
Yes you are correct in your manner of posting and are following generally
accepted rfcs, but outlook still has a problem. Outlook is a very popular
mail client (perhaps the most popular) and not allowing your messages to be
read by so many is a bit of a problem. If you're content with not
communicating with the great unwashed masses (humour/sarcasm) then continue
with your email preferences. Otherwise, try to find some way of posting that
Personally, I enjoy reading your posts and switching over to hotmail's html
interface is a nuisance. (No, I won't switch from my hotmail account because
it's too much personal branding to overcome. Outlook Express is the only
client that supports hotmail addresses.)
>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: Russell Evermore <nanowave at shaw.ca>, ExI chat list
><extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Eugen Leitl, you got Klez
>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:05:03 +0100
>On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 12:51:38PM -0800, Russell Evermore wrote:
> > Ok, I've got SEVEN messages in my "deleted" folder supposedly from
> > Leitl to ExI chat list. I could forward them back but wouldn't without
>You didn't even bother to check the originating address. You just
>the list, loudly, that "Eugen got Klez, don't let him post here".
>The only way to know for sure is to check the signature.
> > request to do so. All messages appear to reply to various current topics
> > include NOTHING in the message bodies. All include the following pair of
> > attachments ATT00035.txt and ATT00038.dat.
>Sure looks like Klez to me. Or, Microsoft ignoring an IETF RFC. From 1996,
>less (no surprise there). Which is a signature. You probably heard of IETF?
>You might not have heard of MIME: http://hunnysoft.com/mime/
>Perhaps you've heard of that Intarweb thing.
> > Sincere apologies to Eugen if this unprecidented problem is somehow only
>I'm not going to accept that apology, because white man speaks with forked
>tongue, vide infra:
> > my end, though I would appreciate a jargon-free explanation, not
> > MUAMALWARERFC2015 purple elephant dingy dongs allright?
>I presume http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html goes in
>"As to the immediate problem, the short answer is that:
> * Your mailer is broken.
> * This is your problem, not mine.
> * File a bug report with your vendor.
> * I'm going to continue signing my mail, and if you don't change your
> * of things, you're going to continue having problems reading it.
> In some cases (you're cute, my mom, or you're offering sufficient
>reasons per hour), I'll make exceptions, but this is on a case-by-case
>and I'm intentionally leaving it as a PITA manual process so that each of
>is reminded it's a bad idea: me, when I do it, you, when I forget and
>stuck with unreadable mail from me. GET A REAL MAILER.
> * No, this isn't a virus, a bomb, a bug, a worm, or any other
> * code. And if it is, that's your problem, not mine.
> * If your IT or MIS department is brain-dead enough to actually strip
> * these attachments before you get your mail, I'm going to laugh at
> * in public. Sorry, this ain't the sympathy department. There's a nice
> * rant below about why this is such a pathetic action though. You
> * enjoy reading it.
>The long answer is the rest of this document."
> > Or did I miss the extropy-chat guidelines that specify:
> > -Piss off if you use Outlook Express
>No. I could hardly care less which MUA you're using (because I don't see
>Microsoft viruses, otherwise you'd be one of the problems, by insisting to
>run the single MUA responsible for >95% of all Microsoft malware, did I
>already mention that? I believe I did). Just don't tell a public list of
>more or less technical people I'm sending you a Microsoft virus. And then
>complain, again to the list, about your personal choices in MUAs.
>Implying, that I'm somehow at fault. Excuse me? This is the former
>list. We used to have standards. Are you try to set a new low for this
> > -You're not wanted if you don't have the Penguin
>Again, I could hardly care less which MUA you use. Just don't bitch and
> > -You're a dolt if you don't spend hours and hours figuring out what a
> > MALWARE FC2015's are.
>Actually, if you post to this list, and have never heard of a frigging
>engine my patience kinda starts wearing thin.
>-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
>ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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