[extropy-chat] Eugen Leitl, you got Klez

Mon Feb 9 22:34:06 UTC 2004

The problem is that your content is sent as an attachment. If you did your 
signatures inline then outlook express wouldn't have a problem with your 
messages.

Yes you are correct in your manner of posting and are following generally 
accepted rfcs, but outlook still has a problem. Outlook is a very popular 
mail client (perhaps the most popular) and not allowing your messages to be 
read by so many is a bit of a problem. If you're content with not 
communicating with the great unwashed masses (humour/sarcasm) then continue 
with your email preferences. Otherwise, try to find some way of posting that 
outlook likes.

Personally, I enjoy reading your posts and switching over to hotmail's html 
interface is a nuisance. (No, I won't switch from my hotmail account because 
it's too much personal branding to overcome. Outlook Express is the only 
client that supports hotmail addresses.)

BAL

>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: Russell Evermore <nanowave at shaw.ca>,   ExI chat list 
><extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Eugen Leitl, you got Klez
>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:05:03 +0100
>
>On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 12:51:38PM -0800, Russell Evermore wrote:
>
> > Ok, I've got SEVEN messages in my "deleted"  folder supposedly from 
>Eugen
> > Leitl to ExI chat list. I could forward them back but wouldn't without 
>your
>
>You didn't even bother to check the originating address. You just 
>complained to
>the list, loudly, that "Eugen got Klez, don't let him post here".
>
>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52174,00.html
>
>The only way to know for sure is to check the signature.
>
> > request to do so. All messages appear to reply to various current topics 
>but
> > include NOTHING in the message bodies. All include the following pair of
> > attachments ATT00035.txt and ATT00038.dat.
>
>Sure looks like Klez to me. Or, Microsoft ignoring an IETF RFC. From 1996, 
>no
>less (no surprise there). Which is a signature. You probably heard of IETF?
>http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2015.txt
>You might not have heard of MIME: http://hunnysoft.com/mime/
>
>Perhaps you've heard of that Intarweb thing.
>
> > Sincere apologies to Eugen if this unprecidented problem is somehow only 
>at
>
>I'm not going to accept that apology, because white man speaks with forked
>tongue, vide infra:
>
> > my end, though I would appreciate a jargon-free explanation, not
> > MUAMALWARERFC2015 purple elephant dingy dongs allright?
>
>I presume http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html goes in
>more detail.
>
>"As to the immediate problem, the short answer is that:
>
>     * Your mailer is broken.
>     * This is your problem, not mine.
>     * File a bug report with your vendor.
>     * I'm going to continue signing my mail, and if you don't change your 
>end
>     * of things, you're going to continue having problems reading it.
>
>       In some cases (you're cute, my mom, or you're offering sufficient
>reasons per hour), I'll make exceptions, but this is on a case-by-case 
>basis,
>and I'm intentionally leaving it as a PITA manual process so that each of 
>us
>is reminded it's a bad idea: me, when I do it, you, when I forget and 
>you're
>stuck with unreadable mail from me. GET A REAL MAILER.
>     * No, this isn't a virus, a bomb, a bug, a worm, or any other 
>executable
>     * code. And if it is, that's your problem, not mine.
>     * If your IT or MIS department is brain-dead enough to actually strip 
>off
>     * these attachments before you get your mail, I'm going to laugh at 
>you
>     * in public. Sorry, this ain't the sympathy department. There's a nice
>     * rant below about why this is such a pathetic action though. You 
>might
>     * enjoy reading it.
>
>The long answer is the rest of this document."
>
> > Or did I miss the extropy-chat guidelines that specify:
> >
> > -Piss off if you use Outlook Express
>
>No. I could hardly care less which MUA you're using (because I don't see
>Microsoft viruses, otherwise you'd be one of the problems, by insisting to
>run the single MUA responsible for >95% of all Microsoft malware, did I
>already mention that? I believe I did). Just don't tell a public list of
>more or less technical people I'm sending you a Microsoft virus. And then
>complain, again to the list, about your personal choices in MUAs.
>
>Implying, that I'm somehow at fault. Excuse me? This is the former 
>extropians
>list. We used to have standards. Are you try to set a new low for this
>list?
>
> > -You're not wanted if you don't have the Penguin
>
>Again, I could hardly care less which MUA you use. Just don't bitch and 
>moan
>about it.
>
> > -You're a dolt if you don't spend hours and hours figuring out what a 
>MUA
> > MALWARE FC2015's are.
>
>Actually, if you post to this list, and have never heard of a frigging 
>search
>engine my patience kinda starts wearing thin.
>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=RFC+2015&btnG=Google+Search
>
>http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=MUA+RFC+2015&btnG=Google+Search
>
>http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=malware&btnG=Google+Search
>
>-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
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