[extropy-chat] Eugen Leitl, you got Klez

Brian Lee brian_a_lee at hotmail.com
Mon Feb 9 22:34:06 UTC 2004

The problem is that your content is sent as an attachment. If you did your 
signatures inline then outlook express wouldn't have a problem with your 

Yes you are correct in your manner of posting and are following generally 
accepted rfcs, but outlook still has a problem. Outlook is a very popular 
mail client (perhaps the most popular) and not allowing your messages to be 
read by so many is a bit of a problem. If you're content with not 
communicating with the great unwashed masses (humour/sarcasm) then continue 
with your email preferences. Otherwise, try to find some way of posting that 
outlook likes.

Personally, I enjoy reading your posts and switching over to hotmail's html 
interface is a nuisance. (No, I won't switch from my hotmail account because 
it's too much personal branding to overcome. Outlook Express is the only 
client that supports hotmail addresses.)


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: Russell Evermore <nanowave at shaw.ca>,   ExI chat list 
><extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Eugen Leitl, you got Klez
>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:05:03 +0100
>On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 12:51:38PM -0800, Russell Evermore wrote:
> > Ok, I've got SEVEN messages in my "deleted"  folder supposedly from 
> > Leitl to ExI chat list. I could forward them back but wouldn't without 
>You didn't even bother to check the originating address. You just 
>complained to
>the list, loudly, that "Eugen got Klez, don't let him post here".
>The only way to know for sure is to check the signature.
> > request to do so. All messages appear to reply to various current topics 
> > include NOTHING in the message bodies. All include the following pair of
> > attachments ATT00035.txt and ATT00038.dat.
>Sure looks like Klez to me. Or, Microsoft ignoring an IETF RFC. From 1996, 
>less (no surprise there). Which is a signature. You probably heard of IETF?
>You might not have heard of MIME: http://hunnysoft.com/mime/
>Perhaps you've heard of that Intarweb thing.
> > Sincere apologies to Eugen if this unprecidented problem is somehow only 
>I'm not going to accept that apology, because white man speaks with forked
>tongue, vide infra:
> > my end, though I would appreciate a jargon-free explanation, not
> > MUAMALWARERFC2015 purple elephant dingy dongs allright?
>I presume http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html goes in
>more detail.
>"As to the immediate problem, the short answer is that:
>     * Your mailer is broken.
>     * This is your problem, not mine.
>     * File a bug report with your vendor.
>     * I'm going to continue signing my mail, and if you don't change your 
>     * of things, you're going to continue having problems reading it.
>       In some cases (you're cute, my mom, or you're offering sufficient
>reasons per hour), I'll make exceptions, but this is on a case-by-case 
>and I'm intentionally leaving it as a PITA manual process so that each of 
>is reminded it's a bad idea: me, when I do it, you, when I forget and 
>stuck with unreadable mail from me. GET A REAL MAILER.
>     * No, this isn't a virus, a bomb, a bug, a worm, or any other 
>     * code. And if it is, that's your problem, not mine.
>     * If your IT or MIS department is brain-dead enough to actually strip 
>     * these attachments before you get your mail, I'm going to laugh at 
>     * in public. Sorry, this ain't the sympathy department. There's a nice
>     * rant below about why this is such a pathetic action though. You 
>     * enjoy reading it.
>The long answer is the rest of this document."
> > Or did I miss the extropy-chat guidelines that specify:
> >
> > -Piss off if you use Outlook Express
>No. I could hardly care less which MUA you're using (because I don't see
>Microsoft viruses, otherwise you'd be one of the problems, by insisting to
>run the single MUA responsible for >95% of all Microsoft malware, did I
>already mention that? I believe I did). Just don't tell a public list of
>more or less technical people I'm sending you a Microsoft virus. And then
>complain, again to the list, about your personal choices in MUAs.
>Implying, that I'm somehow at fault. Excuse me? This is the former 
>list. We used to have standards. Are you try to set a new low for this
> > -You're not wanted if you don't have the Penguin
>Again, I could hardly care less which MUA you use. Just don't bitch and 
>about it.
> > -You're a dolt if you don't spend hours and hours figuring out what a 
> > MALWARE FC2015's are.
>Actually, if you post to this list, and have never heard of a frigging 
>engine my patience kinda starts wearing thin.
>-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
>ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144            http://www.leitl.org
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
>http://moleculardevices.org         http://nanomachines.net
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