[extropy-chat] FWD (SK) Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

Extropian Agroforestry Ventures Inc. megao at sasktel.net
Thu Mar 18 02:44:12 UTC 2004


Like piecing dna strands and determining where they overlap and making the
joins on paper.

If the action is no viewed or effected, but the second or third action is
viewed and the start condition known it is possible to deduce the unseen
condition.
Starting at several points before the event in question and comparing the
results gives information to determine the sarting condition.

Outside of viewing "unviewable" particles interacting in unseeable  (other
dimensional) ways it would be tough to be absolutely certain.

hocus pocus is hard to decrypt......................

Alfio Puglisi wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Mike Lorrey wrote:
>
> >It is essentially that there are more than one characteristic of a
> >quantum particle. The uncertainty principle states that if you observe
> >the value of one characteristic, the act of observation disturbs the
> >particle, such that you can never know what the original values of the
> >other characteristics were.
> >
> >For example, if you observe the position of a particle, you cannot know
> >what its spin was before you observed the position (and vice versa).
> >
> >It is not physically possible to observe a particle without receiving
> >some amount of information from it. That information requires some type
> >of broadcast via energy or other particles. This causes the change in
> >characteristics.
> >
> >Nor is 'observation' dependent upon human beings to observe.
> >Chlorophyll observes the wavelength of photons all day long without a
> >human around, else trees would not live.
>
> This last paragraph is the important one. If one takes the "observation
> disturbs the particle" view, it's not just human observation
> with lamps and particle accelerators. Each and every interaction with
> other particles is an "observation", with the other particle observing
> the first to judge how it should react, etc. The net result is that, if
> the particle has any interaction whatsoever with the rest of the world,
> its characteristics are subject to uncertainty. And, if it doesn't
> interact, there's no way to know its characteristic, so they are totally
> indeterminate :) you can't win.
>
> Alfio
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