[extropy-chat] Re: Qualia Bet

[Joseph Bloch]

And people say conversations about politics are meaningless and boring...

Joseph

gts wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:29:39 -0500, Marc Geddes 
> <marc.geddes at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>> Tomatoes are red after all, just as common-sense was informing us all
>>> along.
>>
>
>> Tonight, take a tomato from your kitchen.  Look at it in the dark.
>> You'll see that its grey, not red ;)
>
>
> So tomatoes in the dark are grey, just as common-sense was informing 
> us  all along.
>
>> But if you agree that color perception is generated by brain
>> processes, how on Earth can you think that colors are out there in the
>> world then? ;)
>
>
> Hmm... I don't see the red tomato when I close my eyes, so I figure 
> it  must be out there somewhere. :)
>
> But remember that the Chalmers/Clark idea of extended mind removes 
> that  paradox. Colors are both 'out there' in the world and 'in here' 
> in our  minds. Our minds contain the objects of our perception.
>
>> I think I've answered that one before.  I agree that one could  say
>> that there's a sort of 'true green' (in the sense of an 'archetype'
>> for green).  But as I said earlier, I think this exists in Plato's
>> world.  It's not a property which physical objects have.
>
>
> For your theory to seem consistent, I think you should say that colors 
> are  properties of colored objects in the same way that platonic 
> circularity is  a property of circular objects.
>
> -gts
>
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