[extropy-chat] A crushing defense of objective ethics. Universal Volition and 'Ought' from 'is'.

[giorgio gaviraghi]

since we are at 0.7 in the Kardashev scale of
civilization level while the Omega point is located at
an hypothetical Phase 5 level, we don't have any
rational nor scientific possibility to make any
prediction, due to lack of basic information .
Check.www.biologydaily.com/biology/Kardashev_scale
only predictions can be based on faith, that's what
religions are made of.
Giorgio
--- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> ha scritto:
> 
> On May 11, 2005, at 2:17 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:15:51PM +1200, Marc
> Geddes wrote:
> >
> >
> >> According to current knowledge, we know next to
> >> nothing about the ultimate fate of the universe.
> >>
> >
> > We do know that the Omega point theory has been
> falsified.
> 
> Please explain.  If we really don't understand all
> that much about  
> some crucial cosmological questions can't we only
> say (at most) that  
> it is false in the context of current theories? 
> With things like  
> dark energy thrown in as some mysterious something
> that makes our  
> models sort of work for now, I hardly have a lot of
> confidence to say  
> our theries are strong enough to make good
> predicitons about far  
> future.  As Omega point theory is far future I thus
> think I need more  
> than current cosmological theories to say it has
> been falsified.
> 
> > Also, we have empirical data on the past, current,
> and can  
> > extrapolate --
> > though not into far future.
> >
> > I wouldn't call this next to nothing -- that's be
> well before Edwin  
> > Hubble.
> >
> >
> >> Since next to nothing is known about the nature
> of the
> >> dark energy, conclusions about the ultimate fate
> of
> >> the universe are seriously premature at this
> time.
> >>
> >
> > You're making a prediction. You have to make a
> prediction using the  
> > current
> > state of cosmology, or refrain from doing so.
> 
> What prediction?
> >
> 
> - s
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