[wta-talk] RE: [extropy-chat] What _is_ it with the WTA board, anyway?

Samantha Atkins sjatkins at mac.com
Tue Jan 17 00:03:49 UTC 2006

I do not consider this pointless. I am interested.  Why would you  
presume to speak for other people or limit what they read here?   
People are quite able to speak for themselves.

- s

On Jan 16, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Giu1i0 Pri5c0 wrote:

> Pleeeeease my friends, not again!
> First, I wish to remind everyone that all WTA members can access the
> WTA Board archives which, as I just checked, go back to August 2003.
> Just write to me or to Marcelo for a password.
> Second, I see that these pointless discussions are spilling over to
> the Extropy list, where perhaps people prefer discussing other things
> and do not wish to see their mailboxes flooded with endless
> repetitions of the same old stories. If I were Natasha, I would
> consider issuing a warning to all WTA members on the Extropy list to
> please discuss internal WTA problems at home, refrain from taking them
> to the Extropy list, and not assume that everyone is interested in
> petty disputes. I could do it myself as I am also a list deputy on the
> Extropy list, but in this case I prefer leaving it to Natasha.
> Third, I can see that some people are using the old and recent
> discussions in the WTA to create tension between the ExI, the WTA and
> other transhumanist associations. If you are one of those, and you
> will know if you are one, I wish to ask you to consider focusing your
> energy to more productive activities. There is a lot to do to move
> towards the future we wish to see and I think we can not waste our
> time like that.
> G.
> On 1/16/06, Harvey Newstrom <mail at harveynewstrom.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Hughes, James J. wrote:
>>> Uh, for the record, Mr. Cordeiro just withdrew from running for
>>> re-election, Bruce Klein and Harvey Newstrom resigned from the  
>>> Board,
>>> and Mr. Yudkowsky lost a re-relection.
>>> So I don't know how I can be blamed for 'driving out' Yudkowsky. And
>>> yes, the other three Board members and I had many disagreements. But
>>> neither I, nor any Board member, moved to have them removed from the
>>> Board.
>> James thinks I resigned, even though I have always denied it.
>> On Jan 15, 2006, at 6:48 PM, mike99 wrote:
>>> Harvey Newstrom, who is also quite intelligent and adept, was
>>> encouraged by
>>> Jose to question everything...endlessly. Questioning is good. But  
>>> like
>>> the
>>> child who asks an endless series of "Why?" questions, responding to
>>> every
>>> proffered answer with yet another "Why?" Harvey only managed to  
>>> bring
>>> the
>>> work of the Board to a grinding halt. In an elected legislature,  
>>> this
>>> is
>>> called tying up the house in procedural motions. That's what Harvey
>>> did.
>>> Finally, the Board had had enough and asked him to leave.
>> Mike thinks the board asked me to leave, even though James has always
>> denied it.
>> This is why I ask endless questions.  Different board members still
>> disagree about whether the board did or did not take some official
>> action.  How can they not remember or agree on what happened on the
>> board?  How can the records be of no help in answering these  
>> questions?
>>   How can there be no minutes or disputed minutes?  How can we tell
>> which claimed official actions are real and which ones aren't.  When
>> board members violently disagree on basic truths, how can members
>> determine the truth?  And how can these same questions be unanswered
>> year after year?
>> --
>> Harvey Newstrom <HarveyNewstrom.com>
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