[ExI] "an aboriginal human from 70,000 B.C."

[Kevin Freels]

kuromaku at hush.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:41:48 +0200 Kevin Freels 
> <kevinfreels at insightbb.com> wrote:
>   
>>> (knowing the infantile 
>>> mentality of most military people), 
>>>   
>>>       
>> Can you please support this statement ?
>>     
>
> Well, to the extent I am aware of the situation,
Research helps. My guess is that you have never been in the military and 
have known relatively few who have served. I recommend that in the 
future when you use the SWAG method, don't treat your assumption as 
common knowledge.
>  if the military 
> people were not infantile, I don't think they would follow orders 
> even when they come from people who have betrayed their country and 
> its constitution, 
So in your opinion, following orders in the military is the same as 
being infantile? No other possibility? Like maybe the majority of the 
military is made up of rational thinking adult human beings - some very 
smart - who see their job as one of duty? Maybe they simply don't agree 
that what they are doing is a betrayal. If you were talking about people 
blindly following orders and killing and raping innocent human beings 
like the holocaust, I would agree. But that's not what we're talking 
about is it? Instead, you have an opinion of what the military should or 
should not get involved in and since the military is doing something 
different, you assume that they all must be intellectually inferior to 
the average human being. ie ; disagreement with you = infantile 
mentality. Using this logic, I must posses an infantile mind as well. 
The same goes for anyone else here who has taken an issue with anything 
you say. So my question is - why do you bother coming here and dealing 
with our multitude of "infantile mentalities"?

> and fought wars against the interests of 
> Americans (yeah, sure those wars must have been worth trillions to 
> your taxpayers.. good thinking military people to do the bidding of 
> your rulers instead of thinking what's good for your country.. 
> bloody mature of you). 
The role of the military is not to make the decisions on the large scale 
goals, only tactical targets to achieve the goals of the commander in 
chief. This is for a specific reason. If everyone in the military just 
did whatever they wanted when they wanted with no concept of authority, 
then we would have total anarchy....NOT an improvement. You need to step 
outside your little box and see it the way the military sees it...."I 
may not agree totally, but the president was ELECTED by the people and I 
am here to do the bidding of the people - not myself". Of course you 
could never understand the idea of putting yourself in harms way because 
you are trying to make the world a better place. We can argue all day 
over whether the decisions to SEND the army are right or wrong, but the 
chain of command is critical in any military if it is going to actually 
accomplish anything but killing each other or turn on it's own 
citizenry. I know a good many brilliant people in the military. Have you 
considered that  they are just in a role that you are incapable of 
understanding? Of course not. Because  you are above that.....
> I'd say they would have overthrown the 
> government and used their guns to make sure politicians wouldn't be 
> allowed to betray the citizens again if they were not infantile. Of 
> course they would also have executed quite a few people after 
> identifying some rational judges. And they would at least start 
> doing something like this right now if they were maturing.
>   
Sure, a bloodbath coup every time the military decides they don't like 
the current administration. That's MUCH more mature. The more I read, 
the more I think you are pulling my leg. What is the "betrayal" you keep 
referring to?
> Still, I could say I do find most other people infantile whether or 
> not they are in the military or not. That's why I think evolving a 
> bit more (ok, a lot more) as a species (or whatever) is so important.
>   
I agree we all have a long way to go. But to put yourself on some kind 
of pedestal and believe that most people are infantile and you are one 
of the elite few who aren't is kind of silly. I find it amazing that you 
see yourself this way. You are no less prone to errors in judgment than 
any other person out there as this post clearly indicates. If you were 
really such an intellectually superior person you wouldn't spend so much 
time insulting people and instead look at these things and see what you 
can learn from them.
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