[ExI] consciousness and perception
thespike at satx.rr.com
Sat Jan 24 23:34:27 UTC 2009
At 03:46 PM 1/24/2009 -0700, Brent wrote:
> From how you described what I tried to say, you clearly didn't
> understand what I was trying to say.
But you wrote:
>>in addition to these behavioral properties, something about atoms
>>also has phenomenal qualities like red, green, the taste of salt....
A "phenomenal quality" can only be something that gives rise to an
experience of a thing or process *in an experiencer* (if you are
using the terminology of phenomenology). If a thrown sugar cube hits
you in the eye and gives rise to pain, it is the inertia and certain
crystal properties of the rigidly arranged atoms that have done this
in combination with nerves in the vicinity of your eye, and further
processing by your nervous system. But there are no "pain" qualities
in the sugar cube; neither are there "taste of sweetness" qualities.
Are there, then, "white" qualities? No, except as part of the
transaction of the cube's atoms and your atoms.
I happen to see slightly different shades of any given color from the
same object depending on whether I use my right or left eye. It's not
the "phenomenal quality" of the apple that changes. But you might
argue that this is beside the point, since if the apple entirely
lacked "phenomenal qualities" I wouldn't be able to see it at all (or
something). You might propose that "dark matter" (actually
*transparent* matter) is like that, except for its gravity. I think
all this would just be a muddle.
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