[ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled

[Alfio Puglisi]

2010/2/18 Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>

>  This is not what the irrational observation was referring to.  Urg.
>

Then I misunderstood you. Sorry for that.


>
> Anyway, on a *different point*, that "global warming debate only exists
> because of PR, media and political spin" could be very true.  Although, I'm
> not entirely sure the world and society feeds off of PR.  Some folks are
> sequestered in their studies reading peer-review papers and still others
> are withdraw to their labs working on experiments about effects
> of temperature rises on life forms.  I do very much agree with you on the
> influence of political positioning, and its PR, on the GW debate.
>

Since I read Dawkins' The Selfish Gene, and the chapter about memes, my
worldview has changed greatly. It's one of those moments when you slap
yourself on the front, and say "why I didn't think of this before?"  The
thought of human minds as an arena for competing memes is unsettling, but
self-evidently true, at least to me.
The GW debate seems to be a competion between memes, some grounded in
evidence, others instead floating on thin air but finding good support in
other pre-existing memes like political orientation, mankind's place in this
world (and thus what it can or is able to do, or not), and so on. It's very
difficult to discuss this kind of things since most people are already
entrenched in one position and can interpret any discussion as a personal
critique. I am open to suggestions.

Alfio





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> Best,
> Natasha
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> extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] *On Behalf Of *Alfio Puglisi
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:08 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science
> isn'tsettled
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> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:49 PM, <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>
>> Your observation is irrational.
>>
>>
> It's not. The global warming debate only exists because of PR, media and
> political spin. The scientific debate was over many years ago. I highly
> suggest Spencer Weart's history of global warming science:
> http://www.aip.org/history/climate/
>
> Alfio
>
>
>
>
>
>> Natasha
>>
>>
>> Quoting Alfio Puglisi <alfio.puglisi at gmail.com>:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> Christopher Luebcke writes:
>>>>
>>>> "... I just find it sadly ironic, and a dark reflection on the petty,
>>>> fiercely partisan, politicized nature of what should in fact be a sober,
>>>> scientific discussion, that a man accused (in the court of political
>>>> opinion) of fraud should suddenly be taken at his word by those same
>>>> accusers, when that word apparently agrees with their position."
>>>>
>>>> Many of us find it frustrating. Nevertheless the biggest problem and
>>>> disappointment is that, while everyone seems to annoyed and saddened,
>>>> there
>>>> is a lack of intelligent communication between all parties in viewing
>>>> the
>>>> situation from diverse perspectives.
>>>>
>>>> Max is working to develop a level ground for discussion.  Bravo to him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't agree. Posting all those links to garbage blogs like WUWT, and
>>> quoting them like they had any value instead of laughing at them (or
>>> desperating, depends on the mood), does a disservice to the Extropy list.
>>> It
>>> shows how a group of intelligent people can be easily manipulated by PR
>>> spin. I find it depressing.
>>>
>>> Alfio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>> Natasha
>>>>
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