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natasha at natasha.cc natasha at natasha.cc
Thu Jun 3 18:07:33 UTC 2010

How about a "Society of Extropy"?

I feel a bit alone sometimes and wish there were a philosophical  
series of talks that I could go listen to in an architecturally  
stunning structure that has beautiful windows, tall ceilings, and a  
chorus with enchanting echoes. Closest I have come is a DJ concert in  
Sao Paulo, Brazil.  The building was amazing, the lights mesmerizing,  
and music enthralling.  BUT there wasn't any philosophical worldview  
-- no inspiring/thought-provoking textual or spoken message.


Quoting Anna Taylor <femmechakra at yahoo.ca>:

> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, samantha <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
>> How is that?  There are huge costs.  They instill
>> mystical claptrap as the basis for everything they
>> teach.  It becomes a sort of package deal in the minds
>> of many.  The claptrap is the reason why the morality
>> is so and the reason why every thing good in their lives is
>> good is because they are good.  Vicious circle. 
>> This is not by accident.  Religions are designed to
>> install themselves in this way.  Instead of learning
>> ethics on the basis of reason and reality a version of
>> ethics is learned based on mysticism and acceptance on
>> faith.  This is incredibly costly.  It splits the
>> mind that takes it seriously.   Most minds
>> don't take it that seriously out of self-defense.  As a
>> result ethics becomes this untrustworthy realm one gives lip
>> service to but really does not have integrated at all. 
>> Morality is split from reality.  The mind
>> compartmentalizes after all and simply will no longer look
>> at some things deeply.    Very costly.
> I probably didn't explain myself properly again.  Yesterday I   
> visited an old friend, that like Spike, has a 2 year old.  She has   
> recently returned to church. She is very well aware of the garbage   
> they teach.  So when I asked, "why go then?". She replied, "it's the  
>  only place I know that people help each other and help others in a   
> community environment."
> I always liked church as a social network but don't agree with what   
> is taught.
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Even though I am not especially a fan of "religious"
>> jargon, nor am
>> persuaded that we should indulge in it, I would have
>> nothing per se
>> against the fact of children going once a week to a
>> building called
>> "church of Extropy"... ;-)
> Cute but that is where I was going with this.  I was thinking how   
> great it would be if people could go once a week and be taught the   
> real facts.  Learn about respect, honesty, helping others, believing  
>  in a cosmic energy for the greater good.  If churches could be   
> replaced with "Community centers" everyone would benefit.  Yes I   
> know, wishful thinking.
> Anna
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