[ExI] YES! Hard-core transhumanist splinter groups yearning forcyber-heaven

bret at bonfireproductions.com bret at bonfireproductions.com
Sun Jun 20 15:15:14 UTC 2010

Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:

> So, saying uploading is feasible is not agreeing to dualism. On the
> contrary, saying uploading is NOT feasible (in principle) IS agreeing
> to dualism.

Hi Giulio! hahaha - ok yes and no - please bear with me, because I  
agree with you, because we have skipped one part of my remark, and I  
am not being clear I don't think:

Agreeing to everything you said and the definition - Dualism also  
holds that the mind and body are separate. If we can copy the brain  
into another medium, and then that medium can simulate a copy of our  
consciousness, then they are indeed separate:

If we are agreeing that that is the context we refer to as "uploading"  
- having two copies of the original mind being "run" in two separate  
mediums (one biological, the original brain, the other synthetic, some  
sort of "computer) - this has now shown that dualism is true, since  
the second mind is not running in a biological substrate. So the mind  
and body would then be separate - knowable, but separate. Would they  
not? At the very best epiphenomenalism, mental being a cause of the  
physical - but that is still distinct.

Anyway. These are the things I consider when we talk about uploading.  
Some people get concerned about the technology, I think that is an  
eventuality - but this is getting to be a very, very long bumper  


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