[ExI] YES! Hard-core transhumanist splinter groups yearning forcyber-heaven

Giulio Prisco giulio at gmail.com
Sun Jun 20 16:41:59 UTC 2010

The mind and body are certainly not separate, like this text is not
separate from the computer on which I am writing it. But in a few
seconds I will send this message, and this text will be transferred to
your computer via the cloud. So, this text is not separated from this
computer, but it is separaBLE from it: it can live on another computer
and still be the same text. Maybe it will be displayed with another
font, size, etc. but it will be still the same text in all senses that
matter. I think the relation between mind and body is similar. I will
upload my text now ;-)

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM,  <bret at bonfireproductions.com> wrote:
> Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:
>> So, saying uploading is feasible is not agreeing to dualism. On the
>> contrary, saying uploading is NOT feasible (in principle) IS agreeing
>> to dualism.
> Hi Giulio! hahaha - ok yes and no - please bear with me, because I agree
> with you, because we have skipped one part of my remark, and I am not being
> clear I don't think:
> Agreeing to everything you said and the definition - Dualism also holds that
> the mind and body are separate. If we can copy the brain into another
> medium, and then that medium can simulate a copy of our consciousness, then
> they are indeed separate:
> If we are agreeing that that is the context we refer to as "uploading" -
> having two copies of the original mind being "run" in two separate mediums
> (one biological, the original brain, the other synthetic, some sort of
> "computer) - this has now shown that dualism is true, since the second mind
> is not running in a biological substrate. So the mind and body would then be
> separate - knowable, but separate. Would they not? At the very best
> epiphenomenalism, mental being a cause of the physical - but that is still
> distinct.
> Anyway. These are the things I consider when we talk about uploading. Some
> people get concerned about the technology, I think that is an eventuality -
> but this is getting to be a very, very long bumper sticker!
> Cheers,
> ~]3
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