[ExI] few bits per second
ross.evans11 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 27 00:14:17 UTC 2010
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Damien Broderick <thespike at satx.rr.com>wrote:
> On 6/26/2010 6:40 PM, Ross Evans wrote:
> >> You might well be right, but how do you know this? You're a
> >> neuroscientist, I take it? Or perhaps a quantum specialist on the
> >> order of Roger Penrose?
> Is being either a requisite to dismiss a theory on the basis of lack of
>> evidence? The consensus in the scientific community is that the idea is
> It's tricky. Obviously Penrose and his scientist supporters, for example,
> are not *without evidence*--they have the same evidence everyone else does,
> and happen to be paying special attention to certain aspects of it.
> Besides, are their suggestions theories or hypotheses? I'd have thought the
> Is appealing to Penrose's expertise, over (what I assume is, for lack of
> any evidence offered otherwise) your thirdhand magazine gossip, nothing
> better than the fallacy of appeal to authority? But of course you are
> appealing to the alleged authority of a larger group, "the scientific
> community." This can only be that small part of the community of scientists
> actually engaged in neuroscience and related work, plus some informed
> philosophers trying to make meta-sense of their findings.
> But then we run into the partial blindness of experts with a stake in their
> own programs; the consensus in the medical community for decades if not
> centuries was that ulcers are caused by stress and the notion that they were
> usually caused by infection was dismissed as bunkum. Granted, the key to
> accepting that idea was evidence gathered by dangerous self-experiments, but
> it's possible that solving consciousness might be a little bit more
> difficult. People make it that much more difficult to solve by shouting
> "bunkum" in a crowded room.
> Damien Broderick
> [not a Penrosian]
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In case you missed it in my other reply, here is some 'magazine gossip'
regarding the scientific invalidity of the quantum consciousness theory.
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