[ExI] few bits per second

udend05 at aol.com udend05 at aol.com
Sun Jun 27 22:14:55 UTC 2010

>How can you possibly think this is a reasonable characterization of what spike so politely asked for? Can you really not distinguish between respect for long-time list members who have contributed mightily and "mutual sycophancy or hero-worship"? 

I suppose it depends what you mean by respect. As Damien has already pointed out, I myself have shown respect to those with whom I have been holding discussions; as such I believe I have stuck to the rules governing these things. But I reacted defensively, perhaps, in being urged to show 'caution'. Why that word? Why not urge us newbies to use mutual respect or politeness? Caution suggested something with a harder line. I wondered if 'respect' really boiled down to the kind of obsequiousness one shows towards a bully - that is, to someone by whom one feels threatened or intimidated. Again, in being reminded of the 'mighty contributions' by these fellows, I was put in mind of my own inferior status - being but newly born into this particular realm of cyberspace, I have yet to show my full worth, leaving me, relatively speaking, in a lowly position whereby I owed my elders not just respect (which, as I pointed out in my post, is a mutual thing) but something more. In an open list such as this one, any contribution has value, no matter where it might spring from. Damien in his response to me indicated as much.

I don't believe I responded to Spike's post as though it was anything but polite - I was merely stating what I saw as a robust defence made on the basis of my interpretation. If that interpretation was misconstrued, I apologise. Yet there have been instances of rudeness on the part of those who hold these elevated positions on this list, so a call for respect goes both ways. I repeat: if this is not an open forum for debate, regardless of personalities, qualifications or anything else germane to these pursuits, I am in the wrong place.

Let me also reiterate a fact that none of us, surely, can debate: that we are all here because we hold similar beliefs about the future of mankind. Does it need repeating that the goal of reaching that future is far more important than any of these really rather piffling issues?

Damian U.
Max More, Ph.D. 
Strategic Philosopher 
The Proactionary Project 
Extropy Institute Founder 
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