[ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled

[Christopher Luebcke]

Rafal,

I have absolutely no reason to suspect that I am capable of becoming, in less time that it takes to actually follow that career path, as qualified to judge the merits of the data selection as any junior climatologist.

I similarly have no reason to suspect that you have any competence in the field, either.

I have no reason to believe that climatology is a discipline that can be picked up any easier than, say, oncology. I trust you to evaluate climate research as much as you should trust me to evaluate a clinical trial.

When I say "prove it", I don't mean that you should point me to the data you believe are fraudulent. I apologize that this wasn't clear, but I what I mean is, "Get it proven".

If you're right, it is hugely important. If you're wrong, you're wrong about smearing people's names. Either way, it's important. Get it proven. Or drop it. 

If you're right, you can prove it to the people who actually matter, and if you're right, it's really important, so you should. But to sit back and say, "Yeah, I looked at the data, it's a fraud," but show no interest in actually doing anything productive about it--what the hell is the point? 




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From: Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>
To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 11:03:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled

I wrote:

>> I offered to send you a list of the peer-reviewed articles written
>> by Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, Phil Jones, and others, that contain
>> fraudulent data or conclusions, so as to enable you to see for
>> yourself the specific instances of fraud, in primary sources.

and Chris Luebcke recused himself from reading the aforementioned
primary sources as follows:

> I'm not a climatologist, or even a scientist.

and then proceeded to add:

> Put up or shut up, as they say.

### Chris, you demand proof from me but you refuse to read it when I
offer it to you, citing lack of competence. Yet, you have the temerity
to demand that *I* shut up, so that you, who admit to being completely
ignorant of the technical issues involved in this discussion, can go
home feeling victorious.

Does this make sense to you?

Rafal
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