[ExI] Towards a new transhumanist movement.

[Natasha Vita-More]

I will repeat what has already been stated: no knowledgeable transhumanist
would argue that everyone should be uploaded against their will. 

A human being must have control over his/her right of body, brain and mind
and no one should coerce any human to evolve/morph/upload.

Anyone who says otherwise is not a prominent transhumanist (caveat: or has
an alternative perspective which does not coerce anyone to do anything they
do not want to do.)


Natasha Vita-More

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(argh).

> Alan,

> No prominent transhumanists are arguing that people should be uploaded 
> even if they don't want to.

> You would benefit from paying attention to reality for a change...


Look, Aleksei, Lets start with Bostrom. As far as he is concerned, the
debate on what we should be in the future is long since settled.
Actually, he talks like a 12 year old who's just discovered boobies about
the subject. The only question that he will entertain any discussion of is
whether or not we are already essentially uploads in someone else's
simulation.

Now if you collar any of the "prominent transhumanists" you speak of, sure
they will croak out "sure sure, the choice is all yours." But when it comes
to actually making a promise to that effect, they will sternly refuse,
making some excuse about it being redundant or playing into fears. Well, are
those fears valid,

Furthermore, when someone as offensive as "Extropia D'Silva" starts talking
about uploading everyone, I'm usually the *ONLY* person to call her on it,
much less the first. Lord knows what they talk about when I'm not present.

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