[ExI] Mind uploading via Gmail

[Adrian Tymes]

1) Why would BCI-extracted information be a part of GMail?  Adding such
things makes it
fundamentally different than an email client - different enough that it
would likely have a
different name.  Thus, saying "GMail" specifically makes this consideration
moot.  (Now, if
you said "GMail, or services extended from GMail including BCI-extracted
emotional
responses", that starts lending some plausibility.  It may seem like a mere
semantic
difference, but it isn't.)

2) When they start extracting said information via BCI, they'll have already
started making
an upload of you, whether or not you've given permission.  They will likely
insist on
resolving any permission issues at that time, and therefore, any previous
permissions -
even ones given by subsequently dead folk - will almost certainly be
disregarded as legally
impossible to have given for want of context, regardless of the letter of
what was said.
(Judging based on existing precedent.  Even in the Singularity, some things
can be
predicted.)

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that the information isn't there... today.
>
> But suppose I keep using Gmail and similar services for 30 years,
> adding geolocation, video and BCI-extracted emotional responses as new
> options become available. Suppose I start adding childhood visual and
> sensory memories via BCI...
>
> Suppose all my friends do the same.
>
> Don't you think my own Gmail account and, in a lesser measure, the
> Gmail accounts of my friends, would have a lot of information about
> me, orders of magnitude more than today?
>
> My post will be interpreted by many as a joke, but to me in is (at
> least half-) serious.
>
> 2010/9/28 Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com>:
> > "2) AI-based mindware technology able to reconstruct individual mindfiles
> by
> > analyzing
> > the information in their aggregate Gmail accounts and other available
> > information, with
> > sufficient accuracy for mind uploading via detailed personality
> > reconstruction, is available."
> >
> > There is much reason to believe this is beyond the realm of plausibility.
> > Not as in, "we
> > don't have the AI for it today", but as in, "the information to do this
> > simply isn't there."
> >
> > Does this record your day to day lives?  Not really.  (If you sincerely
> > disagree, chronicle
> > how you spend each hour of a given day, and then honestly look at your
> > outbox and see
> > how much of that is even mentioned.  Deliberately rigging the system,
> like
> > doing a diary via
> > email for just that one day, doesn't count: this needs to be a
> > representative sample of most
> > of your days.)
> >
> > Does this record your experiences in offline conversations, or most of
> your
> > pre-email life?
> > Again, no.  Certain details might come up; most of it won't.  Further,
> it'll
> > be a subset of
> > what you remember, because you have to have remembered it at some point
> to
> > have
> > mentioned it in email.  (While you may forget something that email will
> > remember, even if
> > you spend the majority of your life with GMail, the amount that you know
> and
> > it has never
> > seen will remain substantial.)
> >
> > This is the kind of thing a critic of the Extropians can latch onto, to
> > dismiss the entire
> > movement as "obviously woowoo pseudoscience bunk".
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2010/09/mind-uploading-via-gmail.html
> >>
> >> You may wish to give your permission too (you never know). Use the
> >> comment field or any other _public_ means.
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