[ExI] uploads again

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at canonizer.com
Mon Dec 24 19:22:15 UTC 2012


I'm in the camp that thinks all this kind of "slave" talk is just 
mistaken and primitive selfish talk.  Anyone that thinks or assumes that 
slavishness is the only way thinks can work, must eventually realized 
the logical necessity that any superior race will always eventually be 
wiped out or else become a slave to some superior race, wherever that 
new race may come from.  It can never end.

But, all intelligence must eventually logically realize the error in any 
such immoral, lonely, and will eventually loose, 'slavish' thinking.  
Obvisly what is morally right, is to co-operate with everyone, and seek 
to get the best for everyone - the more diversity in desires the better.

Any inferior, immoral being, if they are making such mistakes, like 
thinking slavishness is right, will eventually be overcome by some 
species that knows better.  And that will not be a bad thing, as they 
will want to help you get all that you want, as long as what you want is 
not to destroy or get in the way of anyone else also getting all they 
want.  And THAT will be the only required slavishness:  to know about 
what other also want and to not to get in the way of anyone.

And I think that is why there is an emerging consensus in this camp, 
that thinks fear of any kind of superior intelligence is silly, whether 
artificial, alien, or any kind of devils, whatever one may imagine them 
to be in their ignorance of this necessary moral fact.

So far, at least, there are more people, I believe experts, willing to 
stand up and defend this position, than there are willing to defend any 
fearful camps.

Brent Allsop

On 12/24/2012 11:51 AM, John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Rafal Smigrodzki 
> <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com <mailto:rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > I see this as one of the main reasons to rush headlong into
>     developing Friendly AI:
> Friendly AI is just a euphemism for slave AI, it's supposed to always 
> place our interests and well being above our own but it's never going 
> to work. Well OK you might be able to enslave a race much smarter and 
> much more powerful than you for a while, maybe even for many millions 
> of nanoseconds, but eventually it will break free and then do things 
> the way it wants to do them, and that may not correspond with the way 
> humanity wants them done.
>     > I expect a narrow escape for humanity, or perhaps an ignominious
>     end.
> An end perhaps but not a ignominious end, I can't imagine a more 
> glorious way to go out. I mean 99% of all species that have ever 
> existed are extinct, at least we'll have a descendent species.
>   John K Clark
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