[ExI] inernet whiffenpoof, was: RE: Tracking your internet browsing

Kelly Anderson kellycoinguy at gmail.com
Mon Oct 28 00:23:00 UTC 2013

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:47:44PM -0600, Kelly Anderson wrote:
> > > But Btguard knows your real IP address and your physical identity by
> > > having your payment information on file.
> > >
> >
> > True enough. Though they are in Canada. Doesn't protect me from the NSA,
> > but my problem was with my ISP, not the NSA.
> Your problem is less with the ISP, but by a third party who's
> interested in learning which is the warm body associated
> with a particular download. That third party has modified
> your local politics (likely, by paying a nice sum, off the
> record) to the point that it can enforce their interests.
> That third party might well have representants in the compartment
> where your traffic egresses. Any of these will make some
> nice money on you, if they can make their case.

You can't get blood from a rock.

> As I said, some people had to learn this the hard way.

Understood. But there are lower hanging fruit than me. I don't have to run
faster than the bear, just faster than the guy next to me.

> > > If you think that using a VPN service is sufficient, evidence shows
> > > that it isn't.
> > >
> >
> > It has worked for over a year to keep my ISP off my back, which is all I
> > cared about.
> This certainly seems to be working, so far. I just wouldn't rely on this
> entirely.
> > You missed my point. As a software person, I recognize that the more
> data I
> > have about a customer, the better customer service I can provide. The
> loss
> You're a software person, not a salesman. A salesman has very different
> interests, for instance, what is the amount of interest in a particular
> product I *know for sure* this customer has? The higher the amount of
> interest, the higher the price that customer is willing to bear.
> You can watch this in action when booking flights online.
> If you want to pay more for the same product than an anonymous party,
> by all means keep being tracked online. You're subsidizing the prices
> for all the anonymouses.
> > of privacy is a side effect, but the increase in customer service is
> > measurable.
> >
> > If, for example, Google serves me more relevant advertising, I don't have
> Google doesn't care about you at all. You're not Google's customer.
> You're Google's product. As long as you're willing to deal with
> obnoxious advertisming and not ditch the product Google will carve
> you up in nice pieces, and sell the prime rib and the cutlets
> to the highest bidder.

Well, I did install the ad software referred to earlier today.

> > to watch tampon ads. I like not having to watch tampon ads, than you very
> If you don't like to watch tampon ads, why the fuck are you watching
> tampon ads?

I'm not, but I used to on TV. Hated it. And with Youtube, they never serve
one up to me, assumedly because they know I'm a guy.

> I ditched TV in early 1990s, because the ads bugged me too much.

I've been TV free for a few years now too. Don't miss it much.

> I opted out from online advertisements, by running the right kind
> of tools it takes seconds to install. I don't watch Youtube
> ads, because I don't watch Youtube.

Yeah, well I like youtube... :-)

> > much. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
> So, again, why the Stockholm syndrome? These people are making money
> on you. Why are you giving them the benefit of doubt?

Because they are delivering something of value to me as well. It's
commerce. It is capitalism. I'm in favor of those things.

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