[ExI] inernet whiffenpoof, was: RE: Tracking your internet browsing

[Kelly Anderson]

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:47:44PM -0600, Kelly Anderson wrote:
>
> > > But Btguard knows your real IP address and your physical identity by
> > > having your payment information on file.
> > >
> >
> > True enough. Though they are in Canada. Doesn't protect me from the NSA,
> > but my problem was with my ISP, not the NSA.
>
> Your problem is less with the ISP, but by a third party who's
> interested in learning which is the warm body associated
> with a particular download. That third party has modified
> your local politics (likely, by paying a nice sum, off the
> record) to the point that it can enforce their interests.
> That third party might well have representants in the compartment
> where your traffic egresses. Any of these will make some
> nice money on you, if they can make their case.
>

You can't get blood from a rock.


> As I said, some people had to learn this the hard way.
>

Understood. But there are lower hanging fruit than me. I don't have to run
faster than the bear, just faster than the guy next to me.


> > > If you think that using a VPN service is sufficient, evidence shows
> > > that it isn't.
> > >
> >
> > It has worked for over a year to keep my ISP off my back, which is all I
> > cared about.
>
> This certainly seems to be working, so far. I just wouldn't rely on this
> entirely.
>
> > You missed my point. As a software person, I recognize that the more
> data I
> > have about a customer, the better customer service I can provide. The
> loss
>
> You're a software person, not a salesman. A salesman has very different
> interests, for instance, what is the amount of interest in a particular
> product I *know for sure* this customer has? The higher the amount of
> interest, the higher the price that customer is willing to bear.
>
> You can watch this in action when booking flights online.
> If you want to pay more for the same product than an anonymous party,
> by all means keep being tracked online. You're subsidizing the prices
> for all the anonymouses.
>
> > of privacy is a side effect, but the increase in customer service is
> > measurable.
> >
> > If, for example, Google serves me more relevant advertising, I don't have
>
> Google doesn't care about you at all. You're not Google's customer.
> You're Google's product. As long as you're willing to deal with
> obnoxious advertisming and not ditch the product Google will carve
> you up in nice pieces, and sell the prime rib and the cutlets
> to the highest bidder.
>

Well, I did install the ad software referred to earlier today.


> > to watch tampon ads. I like not having to watch tampon ads, than you very
>
> If you don't like to watch tampon ads, why the fuck are you watching
> tampon ads?
>

I'm not, but I used to on TV. Hated it. And with Youtube, they never serve
one up to me, assumedly because they know I'm a guy.


> I ditched TV in early 1990s, because the ads bugged me too much.
>

I've been TV free for a few years now too. Don't miss it much.


> I opted out from online advertisements, by running the right kind
> of tools it takes seconds to install. I don't watch Youtube
> ads, because I don't watch Youtube.
>

Yeah, well I like youtube... :-)


>
> > much. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> So, again, why the Stockholm syndrome? These people are making money
> on you. Why are you giving them the benefit of doubt?
>

Because they are delivering something of value to me as well. It's
commerce. It is capitalism. I'm in favor of those things.

-Kelly
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