[ExI] RES: More Advanced Extraterrestrials

Tomaz Kristan protokol2020 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 12 21:42:33 UTC 2015

They NEED all the mass/energy, information even, from around them. For the
future use,

They need our atoms. All our atoms.

There is nothing like "Prime Directive" in the real world.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:22 PM, BillK <pharos at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12 January 2015 at 15:19, Tomaz Kristan wrote:
> > I hear this argument a lot, but I don't think it's a valid one.
> >
> > Yes, you shrink after the big S, but still you have to have some (all)
> > control over the neighbourhood. At the least, you are not going to permit
> > any kind of evolution nearby, which may kill you, eventually.
> > And which will probably be smarter and will NOT ignore everything around.
> >
> > Second, you'll not permit the  surrounding free enthalpy to be wasted
> > naturally. In vain.
> > You have no choice, but to expand and colonize inward AND outward.
> >
> Well, let's look at the options.....
> It depends on how much of a speedup is possible. And the speedup will
> be progressive, so the maximum will probably be reached quite quickly.
> They won't ignore the outside world, but if you are thinking thousands
> of times faster you don't need to check very often. And automated
> systems could handle that.
> Another factor is that for these high-speed AIs, manipulating the
> physical universe would be thousands of times slower than manipulating
> virtual reality. The physical universe has frozen for these entities -
> it's boring.
> They will need some energy conversion to survive. But what type of
> energy and how much depends on what they develop with their high speed
> R&D. If they drift through the depths of space they would be
> undetectable. They only need energy for their processing and virtual
> reality.
> And what are they doing with all this AI processing? Other dimensions?
> Tiny black holes? Who knows what might be possible? And what keeps
> them going when they have so much knowledge and unlimited lifespan?
> Maybe they flash into super-intelligence, investigate everything, then
> expire from lack of purpose, all in a few years of real time. That
> might explain the untouched universe that we see.
> BillK
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