[ExI] To vote or not to vote

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 19 19:37:35 UTC 2016


Here is the link to the feds and NC:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/11/federal_court_strikes_down_north_carolina_gerrymander.html

here is another:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-provision.html

Result:  dishonesty survives to reproduce, corruption evolves.



spike


I have no dog in this fight and have no problems with your proposed
solutions and am certainly demeaning them as unnecessary.  I am in favor of
anything that can reduce corruption by political parties.


bill w

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:09 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] To vote or not to vote
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> This approach meets all the FLAVOR requirements for elections and is so
> easy to do, even tiny little microscopic spike66 thought of it.  We haven’t
> even yet heard your still better ideas.  spike
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> I see in the news where some states have attempted to make it more
> difficult for some voters to vote, by enacting all sorts of rules and time
> limits, etc.  MS has done so.  Motor voter and all that.
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> I also see in the news the question:  why are all these things necessary?
> There hasn't been a slue of voting irregularities noted anywhere in this
> state or the others where such laws are attempted.
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> Your response?
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> BillW, how would we know?  How do these news agencies who make such claims
> know election fraud is not currently taking place?  What evidence do they
> offer?  If voting regularity is at the machine level how would we catch it
> or know it is going on?  Why is it that we have no means of systematically
> comparing the voting result from mail-in ballots vs in-person paper voting
> vs in-person machine voting?  If those results disagree, why do they
> disagree and which favors which party?  Where are these laws that make it
> more difficult for some voters, and what voters are those, and why is it
> more difficult for those voters and why?
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> Looks to me like a FLAVOR poll would make it easier for all voters legally
> entitled to cast a vote.  With such a system, homeless people could vote,
> once.  One can be homeless in as many states as one wants.  I am currently
> homeless in 49 states, homeful in one.  Some people live in RVs, so they
> can tour the purple states and be homeless in all of them.  Nothing
> explicitly precludes homeless people from voting.  FLAVOR-compliant
> elections would allow the voting to be extended arbitrarily since admission
> to the ballot box one time would be controlled by biometrics.  This would
> make it easier for legal voters everywhere, easier to cast one vote.  Much
> harder to cast many or cast votes illegally such as in multiple states.
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> By the way, BillW, can you offer me a link to that law you referenced that
> restricts minorities from voting?  Google doesn’t seem to know about it.
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> I also see in the news the question:  why are all these things necessary?
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> Hmmm, I will give you a minute to ponder that one.  Eh, no I won’t.
> FLAVOR elections are necessary because WE DON’T TRUST the person likely to
> be elected this time.  We distrust both of them.  We distrust the current
> election process, because it seems to go out of its way to be covert and
> unverifiable  We are being asked to take the word of a party already caught
> cheating to favor one candidate.  We have a mainstream candidate who is
> already hurling accusations of cheating if he loses, but not if he wins.
> Well, OK how do we answer him?  We can’t.
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> But we can see that a fair FLAVOR-compliant election could easily be
> designed and implemented universally.  It could have been a long time ago,
> but we didn’t.  No one seems to be doing it now, nor are there any plans to
> do so in the future, for a perfectly understandable reason: the winner has
> a vested interest in keeping the current system and the loser’s attitude is
> irrelevant, for he is out of power.
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> Result:  dishonesty survives to reproduce, corruption evolves.
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> spike
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