[ExI] Humans losing freewill
William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 19 18:29:30 UTC 2016
(sorry, I did it again - sent before I was ready)
I just want to know what the hell the term means.
John K Clark
I suspect, without any evidence at all, that it comes from Christianity.
If we are always doing God's will because that's the way God set it up,
then there is no room for sin, and sin is the basis of the religion: Adam
and Eve sinned and it has to be their choice or there is no justification
for eviction from Eden.
Add to it the doctrine that their sin infected every single human since,
and we have original sin; ergo, babies are born lacking a state of grace
(necessary to go to heaven) and must be saved
by their own choice.(here sects disagree about baptism, immersion, etc.)
So free will is necessary for the very bases of this religion.
Best I can do, I think. Consult a philosophical dictionary for more.
I don't believe in any of it. "I did not mean to do that" means "I wish I
had not done that".
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:19 PM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com
> I just want to know what the hell the term means. John
> John K Clark
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 11:44 AM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Unless someone holding a gun to your head and making you use
>>> technology, free will isn't at play.
>> Even if somebody *is* holding a gun to your head and tells you to pick
>> X and not Y and you do indeed pick X you have done so because under those
>> circumstances you wanted to pick X. Yes, if the circumstances were
>> different, like not having a gun to your head, you might have wanted to do
>> something else, but they weren't so you didn't.
>> William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
>>> What does technology have to do with free will?
>> Nothing, and it's not just technology. Until somebody coherently
>> explains what "free will" means it has nothing to do with anything.
>> I'm not asking for anything as ambitious as a proof the humans have (or
>> haven't) free will, I just want to know what the hell the term means.
>> John K Clark
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