[ExI] Humans losing freewill

Dan TheBookMan danust2012 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 19 19:08:12 UTC 2016

On Nov 19, 2016, at 10:29 AM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect, without any evidence at all, that it comes from Christianity.  If we are always doing God's will because that's the way God set it up, then there is no room for sin, and sin is the basis of the religion:  Adam and Eve sinned and it has to be their choice or there is no justification for eviction from Eden.

This wouldn't explain how pre-Christians had ideas about free will, including folks like Aristotle.

> Add to it the doctrine that their sin infected every single human since, and we have original sin; ergo, babies are born lacking a state of grace (necessary to go to heaven) and must be saved  by their own choice.(here sects disagree about baptism, immersion, etc.)
> So free will is necessary for the very bases of this religion.

Even if that's so, a problem for selling that point of view -- even people did already have some notion of free will -- would be selling them a two or more ideas by proposing yet another idea that they didn't already hold. So yours doesn't sound like a good explanation for the initial spread of these ideas.

> Best I can do, I think.  Consult a philosophical dictionary for more.

Yes, good idea. There are active debates over this issue -- including over his what 'free will' means.

> I don't believe in any of it.  "I did not mean to do that" means "I wish I had not done that".

I believe in free will, but I don't believe in any gods. And I certainly do hold to any religion-inspired metaphysics.


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