[ExI] Humans losing freewill

Sun Nov 20 02:05:20 UTC 2016

On Sat, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I agree that no action is random, but maintain that all actions are
> determined.

There is nothing in logic that demands every event have a cause, quantum
mechanics says true randomness exists and from experiment, specifically the
observation that Bell's inequality is violated, we know that AT LEAST one
of the following 3 concepts about the universe must be untrue:

1) Determinism (everything has a cause and thus nothing is random)

2) Locality (the
future can not change the past and distance diminishes the strength and
speed of an effect
)

3) Realism (
things are in a definite state even if they
are not being observed) 

I'd like all three

to be true
but if I had to give up one of them (and I do)
 then
I'd give up determinism
;
t
o my mind it would be the least disturbing, and giving up
realism
 would be the most disturbing
.

But
 the universe may not agree with me so for all I know all 3 may be false
.

If 
the Everett

interpretation
 is true then 
from a point of view that
 can
not

exist, like the viewpoint

of

somebody

standing outside

of

the multiverse looking

back in

at it
,
all 3 of those attributes, locality

determinism and realism,

can exist together;

but
say I said 
that is a viewpoint that can not exist
.

So
that's like
saying if 2+2=5 then 2+2+2=7.

>From the viewpoint of any observer anywhere in the multiverse ( in other
words from any possible

observer) determinism locality

and realism cannot all be true, at least one must be wrong.

John K Clark
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