[ExI] Single Payer Healthcare

[Dylan Distasio]

I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in the
US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a typical
large employer plan.

On Mar 29, 2017 8:10 PM, "Jason Resch" <jasonresch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:51 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017  Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> The USA has gone backward. In 1960
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>>> Note the changes in medical legislation from 01956 onward. Would you say
>>> that has nothing to do with this?
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>> ​Obviously not, if I thought otherwise I would not have mentioned it as
>> this thread is about medical legislation. ​
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>>> ​> ​
>>> Do you want to do data analysis or just do pretend science by factoid?
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>> ​Factoid?? We're talking about the results of a experiment that lasted
>> decades involved about a billion people and cost trillions of dollars, and
>> the results are clear as a bell; like it or not single payer countries get
>> more bang for their buck, they live longer and spend less, a lot less. As a
>> libertarian I wish the facts could have produced a different conclusion but
>> reality doesn't give a damn what I prefer.
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>>> My point is you have to look at more than just tote factoid.
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>> Factoid my ass! ​
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>>> In this case, you'd have to make sure you're comparing like to like.
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>> ​Of those 30 countries you can't ​find one that is anything like the
>> USA? Are Canadians a different species?
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>>> .
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>>> Let me try another example that you'll ignore, but others might benefit
>>> from.
>>> ​  ​
>>> Smoking rates are lower in the US than in Japan.
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>> ​Slightly lower that's true. The smoking in the USA has dropped a lot in
>> recent years, from 20.9% in 2005 to
>> 16.8%
>> ​in 2015 ​
>> vs 19.3% in
>> ​Japan. ​
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>>> The Japanese life expectancy is higher.
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>> ​I know, 83.1 years vs 78.8, yet the Japanese spend only $4150 on health
>> with their single payer plan and the USA spends
>> $ 9405
>> ​ with its convoluted mess. This is not a subtle difference that can be
>> explained away as a rounding error.
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> It also costs $2000 to get an MRI in the US and $200 in Japan. It's
> actually cheaper to get a round trip ticket to Japan and get an MRI there
> then to get one down the street.
>
> Jason
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