[ExI] Single Payer Healthcare

Jason Resch jasonresch at gmail.com
Thu Mar 30 00:08:39 UTC 2017


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:51 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017  Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> ​>>​
>>> The USA has gone backward. In 1960
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>> ​> ​
>> Note the changes in medical legislation from 01956 onward. Would you say
>> that has nothing to do with this?
>>
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> ​Obviously not, if I thought otherwise I would not have mentioned it as
> this thread is about medical legislation. ​
>
>
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>> ​> ​
>> Do you want to do data analysis or just do pretend science by factoid?
>>
>
> ​Factoid?? We're talking about the results of a experiment that lasted
> decades involved about a billion people and cost trillions of dollars, and
> the results are clear as a bell; like it or not single payer countries get
> more bang for their buck, they live longer and spend less, a lot less. As a
> libertarian I wish the facts could have produced a different conclusion but
> reality doesn't give a damn what I prefer.
>
> ​> ​
>> My point is you have to look at more than just tote factoid.
>>
>
> Factoid my ass! ​
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>> In this case, you'd have to make sure you're comparing like to like.
>>
>
> ​Of those 30 countries you can't ​find one that is anything like the USA?
> Are Canadians a different species?
>
>
>
>> .
>> ​> ​
>> Let me try another example that you'll ignore, but others might benefit
>> from.
>> ​  ​
>> Smoking rates are lower in the US than in Japan.
>>
>
> ​Slightly lower that's true. The smoking in the USA has dropped a lot in
> recent years, from 20.9% in 2005 to
> 16.8%
> ​in 2015 ​
> vs 19.3% in
> ​Japan. ​
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>
>> ​> ​
>> The Japanese life expectancy is higher.
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>
> ​I know, 83.1 years vs 78.8, yet the Japanese spend only $4150 on health
> with their single payer plan and the USA spends
> $ 9405
> ​ with its convoluted mess. This is not a subtle difference that can be
> explained away as a rounding error.
>
>

It also costs $2000 to get an MRI in the US and $200 in Japan. It's
actually cheaper to get a round trip ticket to Japan and get an MRI there
then to get one down the street.

Jason
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