[ExI] thiel goes south

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 1 18:32:34 UTC 2017


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Too much regulation.
> It is obvious.
> Same thing happens with cryptomarkets.
>
> What are supposed to be well intentioned laws end up to do exactly the
> opposite of what they laws were intended for. Unless the intention was
> really different from what the appearances tell.
>
> So let's do financial business in Singapore and medical development in
> third world countries. America will catch up eventually, in particular when
> business is hurt.
> ​----------------
>
​American pharms won't research plant remedies because they can't patent
them.  I think my curcumin and tumeric work as well as nsaids for my
osteoarthritis, as i said earlier.  It was a wakeup call for me about the
power of supplements.

bill w​


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> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:38 AM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
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>> Big news story today about one of Peter Thiel’s ventures.
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>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/authorities-launch-investigatio
>> n-of-unethical-offshore-herpes-trial-backed-by-peter-thiel
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>> He wanted to test a vaccine for herpes, but in the USA, any such drug
>> test costs billions to control and jump through all the government hoops.
>> This means that any treatment which cannot make back that initial
>> investment can never be approved by the FDA.  So the protections put in
>> place by the US government prevent new therapies and drugs.
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>> Since many countries do not have anything analogous to the US FDA, they
>> can just use the drugs developed and approved by the US.  The staggering
>> expense of FDA approval prevents new medications all over the world.
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>> Thiel was being himself: he went to Mexico and Australia where they don’t
>> worry too much about these kinds of things and tested the vaccines without
>> all the costly control and oversight required by the FDA.
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>> The big deal is that they used test subjects in the Caribbean in St.
>> Kitts, including (drum roll) American citizens.  (“GASP!” they gasped.)
>> Thiel’s detractors are saying this is unethical (What is the unethical
>> part?  (Going around the American FDA or experimenting on actual (gasp!)
>> Americans?  (Would it be an ethical experiment had it disallowed US
>> citizens?)))
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>> Thiel’s argument: the volunteers who took the vaccines already had herpes
>> and did not have access to treatment.  So the worst that could happen is
>> nothing.
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>> What happens if Thiel discovers this vaccine works, but declines to do
>> FDA testing?  Then do we have a drug which can be used overseas but is
>> illegal in the USA?  Would it then be kinda like cocaine except that it
>> actually prevents disease instead of getting the user stoned?  Imagine if
>> other investors recognize that there are markets for drugs outside the USA
>> and that the approval process here has gone from difficult to absurd.  Then
>> they follow suit and create new classes of drugs and therapies using
>> populations willing to take chance.
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>> Ethics hipsters among us, do offer your insights please.
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>> spike
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