[ExI] Rick Warren on religion

[William Flynn Wallace]

So you are saying, I think, that obedience is best obtained in a religious
context when the demands are given by a similarly religious person, and not
that obedience is more of a generalized tendency in religious persons
(which is what I thought you were saying first)  bill w.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:53 PM Stuart LaForge <avant at sollegro.com> wrote:

> BillW wrote:
>
> > That is
> > there is probably a strong correlation between a person's religiousness
> and
> > whether Stanley Milgram in a white lab coat can get them to electrocute
> > other study participants.  keith
> >
> > https://www.jstor.org/stable/3510781?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
> >
> > That turns out not to be the case.  The results of this study are
> > puzzling but still contradictory to your statement.
>
> Did you actually read the study that you cited? A small sample of 30
> college students were categorized as extremists i.e. extreme believers and
> extreme non-believers, and religious moderates based on the scores on 3
> subjective written tests:
>
> 1. An inventory of religious beliefs which was likely biased toward
> Judeo-christian tradition as the test was administered by psychology
> researchers at a theological seminary., 2. A test of where one falls on
> the fundamentalism to humanism axis, and 3. a self-evaluated "closeness to
> God" questionnaire.
>
> It is notable that the "extreme non-believers" based on test #2
> (fundamentalism) and test #3 (closeness to God)  administered the lowest
> average voltage shocks out of the three categories of students. This
> doesn't contradict my
> hypothesis but rather supports it. The discrepancy is easily understood
> that someone who is strongly religious is less likely to perceive a
> secular authority figure like a scientist as having any real authority and
> therefore would be more likely to disobey a scientist.
>
> In order to control for that, they should have arranged for a pastor of
> those students' faith to order the administration of electric shocks to
> perceived non-believers.
>
> Stuart LaForge
>
>
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