[ExI] it's the yoga! was: RE: The Doomsday Clock
William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 12 18:35:31 UTC 2018
> Well, Dave, I do believe you have made a convert. Quite a bit of evidence
> there, eh? bill w
Cool. I've been debating things on the 'net too long to have any
expectation of conversion. Usually my goal is swaying undecided lurkers.
Well, when I am wrong, in this case merely very ignorant, I try to get on
the right side of the evidence. And since a relatively new philosophy of
mine says that I should thank those who correct me, thanks! billw
The question is how can we change ourselves so that stops and doesn't
happen again? dave
Now we are in my area. I have found it very, very hard to change a
person. Their emotions are supporting their behavior and those are
difficult to deal with. Now you want to change human nature. I think you
will have to wait on genetic engineering for that. I am a total cynic
about getting people to do good, avoid bad, however those are defined.
Maybe we have made some tiny baby steps towards solutions to human nature:
the United Nations, the sanctions. Start with countries: don't deal with
them if they practice genocide and other horrible things. Hit them where
they hurt: economics/ money. OK, so the worst examples may have to be
dealt with by the military - preferably the UN military.
Although I am not religious, I truly wish that religion could solve some of
these problems, but studies show that nonreligious people are just as moral
as those who are religious.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:35 PM, William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, Dave, I do believe you have made a convert. Quite a bit of
>> evidence there, eh?
> Cool. I've been debating things on the 'net too long to have any
> expectation of conversion. Usually my goal is swaying undecided lurkers. :-)
> It does, however, make me wonder just how effective it is. In Britain I
>> think that they went through a period where everyone had to be Catholic,
>> and then (or vice versa), could not be Catholic - some of this went on in
>> Europe too. And why would anyone not take up their old religions and
>> language when the heat to conform lessened?
> Sure, but that's easier when you've got a rich written history and maybe
> some elders who remember the old ways. In the case of the Native Americans,
> the combination of disease, war, relocation, and assimilation made that
> nearly impossible. And even if they could resurrect their language and
> religion, there was no way they could return to their old ways of life due
> to not being on suitable land, loss of bison herds, property ownership and
> fences preventing nomadic living.
> But it also reminds me of the evil done by the Muslims, forcefully
>> converting people to Islam. And the Jews in southern Iberia, etc.
>> At a much lower level of evil, the changing of 'foreign' names for
>> immigrants at Ellis Island - say from Wallechinsky to Wallace.
>> Ah - we are not better nor worse than anyone else, are we?
>> What history we study in school has little relationship to the whole
> That's all true. The question is how can we change ourselves so that stops
> and doesn't happen again?
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