[ExI] de Waal

[William Flynn Wallace]

I'm not sure what you think is wrong or how free will is involved, but
there's abundant, obvious evidence that children learn and believe
"ridiculous religious crap" from their parents.

-Dave
That's true.  But I am far from convinced that it never changes, as John
would have it.  John seems to think that children implant ideas and they
are adamant against change.  I strongly disagree.  Let me see some data on
how far-out ideas don't change.  Or any ideas that escape changes with the
passing years.

Ideas are like memories.  They are memories.  When we pull out a memory we
change it to a certain extent before putting it back.  So memories change,
distort over the years as a result of simply remembering them.  If you have
not experienced conflict between you and other people re old memories, then
I would think you have not been to a high school reunion.

I did not get a Ph. D. in social psychology and persuasive communications
(attitude change) for nothing.  But I do not think you will want to have me
give you the full lecture on this topic.  Many, many pages.

To John - all I meant by free will was that a person could examine his
beliefs in light of the evidence of his experiences and his reading and
other sources of information, and change them.  He is not stuck with any
implanted ideas that occurred earlier in his life.

bill w


On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM, William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Clark wrote:
>>
> >By the teen years they no longer take it for granted that what adults
>> tell them is true, but by then its too late, the damage has been done and
>> they will believe ridiculous religious crap for the rest of their life
>> without question. And they will teach the exact same bullshit to their
>> children.
>>
>> I think this is seriously mistaken - no , just flat wrong.  However, I am
>> no longer interested enough in this conversation to do the research to
>> prove this very wrong, though if you are, and you get data supporting this
>> extremist view, I will be happy to read it.  Not exactly a proponent of
>> free will, are you?
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you think is wrong or how free will is involved, but
> there's abundant, obvious evidence that children learn and believe
> "ridiculous religious crap" from their parents.
>
> -Dave
>
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