[ExI] Just some thoughts, nothing new really

Rafal Smigrodzki rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com
Thu May 16 01:02:06 UTC 2019

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:38 AM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:30 AM Rafal Smigrodzki <
> rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> wrote:
> > *As a libertarian I explicitly renounce the right to dictate to others
>> who they should associate with. *
> OK, but how big can a place be that you could still say any member in it
> is "associated" with every other member? Apparently you believe any person
> in the USA is "associated" with every other person in that country, and in
> a way that's true. The USA is pretty big but it is not the biggest there
> is. And Harcore libertarians believe all nation states are artificial
> illegitimate divisions anyway and the undisputed largest group of
> "associated" people is the entire population of planet Earth. So does any
> person on Earth have the right to kill any other person on the Earth if
> they don't want to be "associated" with them on the same planet?

### You shouldn't argue in this way. I said I renounce the right to dictate
to others who they should associate with, and you reply by asking me if I
want to kill anybody I don't want to associate with. Do you see the
disconnect between my rather meek suggestion and your question?

That's not how you discuss issues, that's how you do politics. I don't
intend to do politics.


>> >> Even the libertarian think tank The Cato Institute concluded that
>>> illegal immigrants in Texas committed fewer crimes than native born
>>> Americans:
>>> https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant
>> > *### TL:DR. Don't believe it. Illegal immigrants tend to be less
>> intelligent than legal immigrants, and they live in the penumbra of the
>> law. Less intelligent people are more likely to commit crimes.*
> Interesting theory. The history of Science is full of interesting theories
> and nearly all of them turned out to be dead wrong.
>> *> People living outside the law are more likely to commit crimes and
>> less likely to report them.*
> Less intelligent criminals are more likely to get caught than more
> intelligent criminals, so if your theory is correct you'd expect there
> would be an excess of Illegal immigrants in prison but, unless you count
> illegal immigration itself as a crime, no such excess has been found. Rafal
> I'm curious, before June 16 2015 when Trump came down that escalator to
> start his campaign for presadent and talked about hordes of foreign rapists
> and murders attacking the country did you considered Illegal immigration to
> be number one on the list of human existential problems?
>> > *I was not born yesterday, I know how a piece of propaganda sounds
>> like*
> So even the libertarian Cato Institute, well known for its fierce advocacy
> of Free Markets, Limited Government and other libertarian ideas, is a
> source of fake news and fake statistics. So where can one find the
> unvarnished truth? Fox news? Breitbart? Supermarket tabloids? Perhaps one
> should just stick with the only information source of known infallibility,
> the lips of Donald Trump.
> Rafal, just like you I have political and philosophical likes and
> dislikes, but unlike you I have no loyalty to ideas and I like the
> scientific method much better than anything in politics or philosophy. So
> in a debate if I realize my predisposition does not fit the facts and the
> other guy is arguing from a logically stronger position than my own I
> abandon my previous idea and embrace the new one as my own. If nothing
> else this tactic certainly makes it much easier to engage in future debates.
> ### No, John, I will not do politics with you.
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