[ExI] [Extropolis] libertarians

[efc at swisscows.email]

Hello guys,

I consider myself libertarian, classic liberal, anarcho-capitalist or just 
plain old capitalist depending on the company and how much I want to 
provoke people.

I'm not american but given the choice of only Biden or Trump, I prefer 
Trump. I've seen and lived under socialism and that is why I prefer
Trump over Biden any time any day. I met and spoken with way too many 
people who lived under soviet style socialism, so I can never vote for 
anyone who is in favour of increasing the control of the state or who 
increases taxes.

If the choice was completely free however, I would vote for Ron Paul or 
probably someone even more freedom oriented who never even made it
through the media out of the US.

Best regards,
Daniel


On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, Keith Henson via extropy-chat wrote:

> Two main groups called themselves libertarians (lowercase).  The
> political Libertarians were so fractious they could not get along with
> each other or anyone else.
>
> Anyway, the two groups were known as the Space Cadets, people who got
> their political philosophy from Heinlein, and the Ranroids, followers
> of Ayn Rand.
>
> One day the religious-like intense attraction of Rand might be
> understood. 13-year-old boys seem to be particularly affected, some of
> them never recovering.  Speculation on this included the idea that
> boys of that age are selfish and that Rand's objectivism glorifies
> selfishness.  Rand's view of the world is in opposition to
> evolutionary psychology, which makes the case that we should value
> others because of shared genes.
>
> The Space Cadets are easier to get along with.
>
> While the early extropians leaned libertarian, most of them were easy
> going about it.  Because so many of the early L5 Society members were
> Heinlein fans, that organization leaned libertarian as well.
>
> Keith
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 2:20 AM Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 9:13 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 2:58 PM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > We, or at least most of us, are libertarians.
>> >
>> >
>> > I once called myself a libertarian but the meaning of the word has changed so radically that I can't do that anymore.  These days most "libertarians" are just Trump zombies.
>> >
>>
>> I once did NOT call myself a libertarian because I didn't like the
>> excessive emphasis on property and guns. But now I do call myself a
>> libertarian, or at least a libertarian at heart, because today's
>> "culture" in the West is becoming anti-libertarian and this must be
>> stopped. I'm a libertarian in the true sense of the word: one who
>> thinks that one should be free to think/speak/do whatever the fuck he
>> likes as long as he doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to do
>> the same. And by the way, I prefer Trump to cancel culture.
>>
>> >> > What freedoms do we not have that we should have or need to have?
>> >
>> >
>> > The freedom to inject any chemical we wish into our bodies, including cyanide.
>> >
>> > John K Clark
>> >
>> >
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