[ExI] [Extropolis] libertarians

[Keith Henson]

Two main groups called themselves libertarians (lowercase).  The
political Libertarians were so fractious they could not get along with
each other or anyone else.

Anyway, the two groups were known as the Space Cadets, people who got
their political philosophy from Heinlein, and the Ranroids, followers
of Ayn Rand.

One day the religious-like intense attraction of Rand might be
understood. 13-year-old boys seem to be particularly affected, some of
them never recovering.  Speculation on this included the idea that
boys of that age are selfish and that Rand's objectivism glorifies
selfishness.  Rand's view of the world is in opposition to
evolutionary psychology, which makes the case that we should value
others because of shared genes.

The Space Cadets are easier to get along with.

While the early extropians leaned libertarian, most of them were easy
going about it.  Because so many of the early L5 Society members were
Heinlein fans, that organization leaned libertarian as well.

Keith

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 2:20 AM Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 9:13 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 2:58 PM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > We, or at least most of us, are libertarians.
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> > I once called myself a libertarian but the meaning of the word has changed so radically that I can't do that anymore.  These days most "libertarians" are just Trump zombies.
> >
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> I once did NOT call myself a libertarian because I didn't like the
> excessive emphasis on property and guns. But now I do call myself a
> libertarian, or at least a libertarian at heart, because today's
> "culture" in the West is becoming anti-libertarian and this must be
> stopped. I'm a libertarian in the true sense of the word: one who
> thinks that one should be free to think/speak/do whatever the fuck he
> likes as long as he doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to do
> the same. And by the way, I prefer Trump to cancel culture.
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> >> > What freedoms do we not have that we should have or need to have?
> >
> >
> > The freedom to inject any chemical we wish into our bodies, including cyanide.
> >
> > John K Clark
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