[ExI] [Extropolis] libertarians

[Giulio Prisco]

On 2023. Aug 16., Wed at 17:56, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 5:20 AM Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> * > I once did NOT call myself a libertarian because I didn't like
>> the excessive emphasis on property and guns.*
>
>
> Because I'm a material being I like the emphasis on property, but I was
> never a big fan of guns. These days the only part of the US Constitution
> "libertarians" give a shit about is the second amendment; forget about
> torture and the lack of freedom of the press, for them 1984 would be a
> paradise if people were just allowed to keep their guns.
>
> >
>> *I prefer Trump to cancel culture.*
>
>
> I just don't understand how you can say that!. Yes extreme wokeness is stupid
> and it can be annoying but it's not catastrophic, however handing the
> keys to a nuclear missile submarine over to a fascist imbecile who broke
> the 250 year tradition of a peaceful transfer of power by staging an
> unsuccessful coup d'état would be.  And Trump is also the most
> anti-libertarian president in American history; women should not have the
> right to have control of their own bodies, the freedom of the press
> should be limited so that the president can sue reporters if they say
> something he doesn't like, the federal government should stop the states
> from legalizing marijuana, laws should be strengthened to stop people from
> reading pornography....
>

I didn’t say that I like Trump. I said that I prefer Trump to woke cancel
“culture,” like I would prefer losing one leg to losing both. The woke
“culture” of whining and mobbing instead of striving and arguing will have
catastrophic consequences if we don’t stop it now.


>
> * > now I do call myself a libertarian, or at least a libertarian at
>> heart, because today's"culture" in the West is becoming anti-libertarian
>> and this must be stopped.*
>
>
> For nearly 8 years I've been asking, almost begging, people who called
> themselves libertarians to explain to me how they can feel any emotion
> other than contempt or revulsion for a creature like Donald Trump, but I
> never received an answer that contained even a fragment of rationality. In
> fact I was kicked off the Extropian List for asking that question too
> often.
>
> *> I'm a libertarian in the true sense of the word: one whothinks that one
>> should be free to think/speak/do whatever the fuck he likes as long as he
>> doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to do the same.*
>
>
> I agree completely. But you expect that if Trump is back in the White
> House it will help to achieve that noble goal ?!!
>

No, and I hope you guys will choose another Republican candidate. But
again, continuing with current trends would be so detrimental to that noble
goal than everything is better than that.


> John K Clark
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