[ExI] et tu chess?

[efc at swisscows.email]

Agreed! That would be very interesting! None on the list?

Best regards,
Daniel

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat wrote:

> Yeah, to be clear, I don't really disagree with you in the mental arena, but would be interesting to hear from some actual women
> competitors in chess to see what their opinion(s) on the matter is.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 1:00 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       What about the extremely radical suggestion to scrap gender classes in
>       chess?
>
>       I can see the point in physical sports, but not quite in mental sports.
>
>       Best regards,
>       Daniel
> 
>
>       On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat wrote:
>
>       > I don't know whether it is actually silly if we dig down on it.   Out of curiosity, are you in favor of banning
>       biological men from
>       > women's sports?   I would guess you probably are due to the very obvious physical advantages that biological men have
>       over women. 
>       >  For the record, I am completely against transwomen competing in women's sports for these biological reasons,
>       particularly in things
>       > like UFC/MMA, swimming, track&field, powerlifting, etc.
>       > So back to chess...Although I don't think there is enough real data to be sure, an argument can be made on the
>       biological front there
>       > as well as to why biological men/transwomen should not be allowed to compete in women's chess.    Men may hold a
>       biological advantage
>       > there as well in terms of brain differences, and the effects of testosterone on risk taking.   
>       >
>       > You could also make the argument that even if the perceived superiority of men in playing chess is due purely to
>       cultural issues and
>       > the sheer numbers of men who play chess compared to women that allowing biological men/transwomen to compete there
>       would put women at
>       > a disadvantage overall.
>       >
>       > All that said, since noone is going to get injured playing chess, I am more inclined to say allow transwomen to compete
>       there and see
>       > what the outcomes are as I don't think we have enough data to know for sure that men have an innate advantage over
>       women in the chess
>       > arena.
>       >
>       > While I agree with you that it seems silly on its face compared to the more clear cut case of physical sports, I don't
>       think the ban
>       > is entirely without merit and shouldn't be immediately laughed off.   Like I said though, the consequences of allowing
>       them to
>       > compete in chess pale in comparison to physical sports, so maybe we should just see what happens and collect more data
>       before
>       > enacting a ban prematurely.
>       >
>       > On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 11:56 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       >
>       >        
>       >
>       >       I just heard that the International Chess Federation (FIDE) is banning transgender women from competing in
>       women’s
>       >       chess.  Scandal!
>       >
>       >        
>       >
>       >       Just when I think this old world has achieved peak silliness, we seem to discover new pinnacles of silliness. 
>       >
>       >        
>       >
>       >       This might have a downside however.
>       >
>       >        
>       >
>       >       spike
>       >
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