[ExI] [Extropolis] trump

[Mike Dougherty]

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023, 11:34 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I am trying to think of a good example on ExI where EP has been rejected
> or posts made from an opposing POV.  I am coming up blank.
>
I got the impression that the source of frustration was less an outright
rejection and more an apparent lack of adoption.

> EP suggests we are programmed genetically.  I have long thought that,
> since way before I had any real explanation for how we got this way.  The
> old time religion people had that intuition and came up with an explanation
> for the nature of humans: god made us that way after the original pair
> sinned.  It really insisted, with the notion that humans are evil by nature.
>
Genetics in early evolution and memetics later.. using "fitness" to an
environment (and various maladaptations) helps explain the feedback
relationship of memes and culture.  Anything to help prediction as we race
towards the singularity, y'know?

>  I will accept the “by nature” part, but the evil part is a bit of a
> stretch.  We are tuned to be competitive, sure.  So… what’s evil about
> that?  Sounds like fun to me.  That’s where we get sports.  War is evil, so
> we avoid that one, and take
>
We don't avoid it though.  Imo, the general usage of "evil" is a social
manipulation device: via labeling the out-group evil the in-group is herded
into behavior that benefits the opportunistic manipulator (church,
government, coach/team captain)
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