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[Jason Resch]

On Sunday, August 27, 2023, efc--- via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Thank you Jason. Would you disagree with me if I call that absense of
> strict empirical proof?



I think it would depend on your reasons for saying so.

Is your objection based on not believing that life-compatible universes are
rare (given current empirical observations), or is your objection that it's
not valid to infer from the rarity of life-compatible universes that it is
likely there are many universes?

I guess it comes down to whether the absence of observation, plus an
inference, counts as an empirical observation. For instance, if I play a
shell game and put a coin under one of the shells and mix them around and
flip one over, and you do not see a coin under it, does that count as an
empirical observation (which together with your inference) tells you the
coin must be under the other shell? Or must I lift the second shell for the
light reflecting off the coin to enter your eyes, for this to count as
empirical evidence of the coin's location?

With the anthropic reasoning, it is like the shell game where we don't see
the coin. We see something that is hard to explain without there being many
lifeless universes out there, even though light from these other lifeless
universes never reaches us. Is this empirical? Arguably it's not, but do
you have an alternative explanation for the dozen or so coincidences that
made life possibile here?


>
> I'm not a fan of anthropic considerations and probabilities for
> multiverses, gods, unicorns and items generally outside of the realm of
> physical science.
>
> I think those kind of discussions sometimes let our imaginations run away
> with ourselves, and even if they indicate something, I will never know, and
> it will never affect me, so as far as I am concerned, I can disregard it.


But they can affect you. The existence of other universes provide
continuation paths for your consciousness. You might awaken there, or find
yourself surviving an otherwise not survivable situation in this universe,
through the continued existence of a parallel self in one of those
universes. It may even provide a means for life here to survive the heat
death of this universe (by having some other entity in another less
resource constrained universe) copy-and-paste us into their universe, just
as we can copy and paste objects from the John Conway's Game-of-Life
universe into our own.

Jason



>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023, Jason Resch via extropy-chat wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023, efc--- via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>       Hello Stuart,
>>
>>       Just a quick question from someone not very knowledgeable of cutting
>>       edge physics.
>>
>>       You say that
>>
>>             that a copy of you can truly be you, then you can relax
>> because you are already immortal. You don't need to
>>             copy yourself because there are already plenty of, if not
>> infinite numbers of, you strewn about the
>>             multiverse.
>>
>>
>>       What I wonder is, are infinite numbers of you and multiverses
>> supported by proof or is itone of many interpretations of
>>       current theories?
>>
>>
>> Anthropic considerations provide strong evidence, in the sense that the
>> probability there's only one universe (with one kind of
>> physics) is on the order of 1 in 10^122.
>>
>> https://alwaysasking.com/is-the-universe-fine-tuned/
>>
>> This is as close to proof as anything science can provide.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       Best regards, Daniel
>>
>>
>>             Stuart LaForge
>>
>>
>>                   This is a crucial point, for those of us interested in
>> uploading, so I think we should really
>>                   understand it, yet it makes no sense to me. Would you
>> please explain further?
>>
>>                   Could you also please explain the comment about
>> continuity and not-discontinuity not being the
>>                   same thing?
>>
>>                   Ben
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