[ExI] Meta - Can a language be considered as symbiotic "living" entity on a more abstract definition of cyberphysical reality

[Gadersd]

> A cultural/memetic endosymbiont such as what I am proposing a moderately prescriptive language to be could be seen as an independent entity that people smarter than me would be able to clearly define the ontological boundaries of it's existance in the framework outlined in 2)
If I understand you correctly, you want to extract language/culture and the reality they represent from the totality of reality so that language can be viewed as an independent entity in its own right?

This is similar to what many try to achieve with machine learning. Some pattern within reality, perhaps the 3d geometry of an animal, may be encoded in some data, say an image. With machine learning one can separate the information corresponding to the location of the animal’s joints from all the other information in the image such as the lighting conditions.

This can be taken much farther. If one had data corresponding to many different human languages and cultures that formed independently then one could at least in theory train a model that compresses the data into independent components. Each of the compressed parts would be uncorrelated with one another. Then the information that corresponds to language could be separated from all the other information of which it is independent. The details of language depend on biological and environment characteristics so some of this information would be included in the language entity.

The technique can be used for just about anything. Reality is structured because aspects of it have correlation. By separating out the correlations into independent components one can find the distinct “entities” that make up reality.

> On May 31, 2023, at 6:07 PM, Jeremy Markman via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> I apologize, I tried to ask this a few days ago but the message got moderated because of too much Jargon.
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> During human evolution, human's ancestors had some inheritable phenotype that allowed them to embed and utilize symbolic language in a manner that extended their potential complexity, adaptability, and ethological effectiveness.
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> There is much literature that at least have soft claims of language and human evolution being a sort of positive feed back process. As proto humans that had more latent ability to utilize language were selected for, language itself became more complex, diverse, and effective. Language became more effective in the sense that the n years of building up the corpus of what makes up a language, initially "embedding" itself in the semi blank slate of human infants minds in a more and more effective manner.
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> Typically in our day and age, there are pretty well standardized values of how many words a child would know on average at a given point in their development. Each word doesn't exist in isolation but is similar to a scientific paper where there are "references" to a vast array of other words, or general linguistic information.
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> The point is is that I don't really know how to describe this concept I am curious getting your feedback on without resorting to jargon but I am going to at least try.
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> There is the concept of an extended phenotype where a gene encodes for a phenotype in another organism
> Reality is generally broken down into objective, subjective, abstract internal reality - and objective, subjective, abstract external reality. The boundaries of these definitions break down upon closer inspection but are generally stable if viewed as black boxes with non-gestalt, fuzzy, and recursive boundaries
> A persons emergent existence is best modelled as a digital twin across four dimensional space time
> A cultural/memetic endosymbiont such as what I am proposing a moderately prescriptive language to be could be seen as an independent entity that people smarter than me would be able to clearly define the ontological boundaries of it's existance in the framework outlined in 2)
> I think I used too much jargon again, send help
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