[ExI] Men in Skirts

[Ben Zaiboc]

On 10/06/2023 17:18, Adrian Tymes wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 7:34 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat 
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>     Someone who points out that everyone has XX or XY chromosomes
>     (with the occasional abnormalities, like XYY syndrome) are at odds
>     with those who want to ignore biology in favour of 'gender
>     identity' (I know it sounds bonkers, but look at the reactions
>     against J K Rowling for simply stating a fact). I have nothing
>     against a man wearing a skirt, or people choosing to have surger
>     to alter their sex organs, but I realise that if you're born with
>     XY chromosomes, that makes you a man, and nothing can change that
>     (yet). This makes me an enemy of the "you're a girl if you say
>     you're a girl" crowd, who don't think chromosomes have a say in
>     the matter.
>
>
> The problem there is those who define "man" et al as anything more 
> than just "an adult human with XY chromosomes" et al - and that would 
> unfortunately appear to be the majority of people, regardless of the 
> science, which makes their definition matter.  This isn't just the 
> "you are what gender you think you are" crowd; indeed, that group 
> arose as a reaction to the "women are defined as baby machines who are 
> not supposed to earn a living"/"men are defined as mentally resilient 
> enough that they should never seek mental health help"/et al crowd. 
> The chromosomes can't be changed but those other qualities can (to 
> some extent: while no one with XY chromosomes has yet become pregnant 
> that I know of outside of extreme surgical technicalities, most of the 
> crowd is far more concerned with whether those with XX chromosomes may 
> be forced to become pregnant and carry babies through birth against 
> their will, which far too many say is part of being a woman by the 
> definition of "woman").
>
> One theoretical solution could be to reduce those words to just their 
> chromosomal meaning in popular usage.  We are so far away from that, 
> that many view that solution as impossible in practice.

Fine. So let's make a start. "Impossible" is a challenge, not a limitation!

You can argue what 'man' and 'woman' (and maybe even 'male' and 
'female', at a stretch) should mean, but not what 'XX' and 'XY' do mean.

I am (as opposed to 'I identify as') an XY.

Nobody can disagree with that, it's not an opinion or a cultural 
position. It's an unassailable fact, and I can prove it.

Maybe I should start wearing skirts, with a T-shirt that says "XY" in 
big letters.

Ben
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