[ExI] LLM's cannot be concious

[Gordon Swobe]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 6:29 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 7:33 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 4:11 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:39 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:02 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>> Others had argued on this thread that it was impossible to extract
>>>>> meaning from something that lacked referents. it seems you and I agree that
>>>>> it is possible to extract meaning and understanding from a data set alone,
>>>>> by virtue of the patterns and correlations present within that data.
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>>>> With the caveat that referents are themselves data, so if we include
>>>> appropriate referents in that data set then yes.  Referents are often
>>>> referenced by their correlations and matching patterns.
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>>> I don't understand what you are saying here.
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>> Do you agree that referents are data?  If not, why not?
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> What is a referent? My understanding was that according to you and Adrian,
> things like dictionaries and Wikipedia text lack referents since they are
> just bodies of text.
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I think it was Adrian who asked you that question. A referent as I use the
term is something that exists outside of language to which a word refers.
You have an apple in your hand and you say "this is an apple." The apple in
your hand is the referent that corresponds to your word "apple."

As for whether referents are data, it is unclear to me how referents could
be data. I am inclined to say no but I am not sure what Adrain is getting
at here.

 -gts

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