[Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin

Steve Hovland shovland at mindspring.com
Tue Aug 16 04:03:29 UTC 2005

It's eroding our society.

I personally believe in the melting pot, not "diversity."

Steve Hovland

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More thanks for Frank's efforts. This is exactly right. The fast-food 
restaurant where I get my lunch salad used to be staffed by ordinary 
causasians, often with obvious mild retardation. They were good workers, 
and I enjoyed them. Now I can barely understand the girl at the register 
and sometimes I have to ask her to say it in Spanish because her English 
is so poor. I am deeply discouraged and disillusioned by President 
Bush's attitude about illegal emmigration.

Premise Checker wrote:

> Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
> http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002938.html#002938
>    2005 August 14 Sunday
>    Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>    Over at [9]No Speed Bumps Dan reports on how [10]during a vacation
>    trip in Wisconsin he found white people doing all the manual labor
>    jobs that are done by Hispanics in Texas.
>      Two weeks ago I vacationed near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. One thing
>      strikingly different than living in Texas was that there were few
>      Hispanics. In Texas, Hispanics are found in all walks of life, from
>      doctors to janitors.
>      With so many impoverished Hispanics illegally moving to Texas over
>      the southern border each year, they have taken over most of the
>      lower-skill jobs because they will work for less than American
>      citizens. Go to any restaurant, hotel, or construction site and all
>      of the basic manual labor tasks are being done by low-income
>      Hispanics.
>      Anyway, while on vacation, in the hotels we stayed in all of the
>      maid staff and other help were white. The same was true of all of
>      the restaurants we ate in, from the cooks, to the bus boys, to the
>      grounds keepers. I felt like we were in a time machine and in a
>      strange land.
>      An interesting note about the maid staff at the hotels was the good
>      cheer that they were in. They were constantly chatting among
>      themselves and seemed very content as they went about their work.
>      This reminded me that, yes, there is dignity to manual labor, and
>      yes, white people can still do manual labor.
>      This runs counter to the fashionable argument today justifying the
>      open border policy with Mexico. The argument goes that America
>      could just not function without all of the low-skill workers coming
>      in to do all of the manual labor. Well, that is ridiculous. It may
>      drive prices up some, if American citizens (whether white, black,
>      or any other race) must do the work but the work will still get
>      done, one way or another.
>    One of the big whopper lies told by open borders advocates such as
>    George W. Bush is that there are "jobs that Americans won't do". This
>    is nonsense. One only need travel to those places where the bulk of
>    the population is still white to see that this claim is false
>    propaganda.
>    As for the argument that a lack of cheap immigrant labor will drive up
>    prices, it rests on three fallacies:
>      * That low skilled labor makes up much of total costs. Wrong-o
>        sleigh bell lovers. The bottom quintile of the United States
>        population earns [11]only 3.5% of national income. 20% get 3.5%.
>        If we deported all the illegal aliens and stopped all low skiilled
>        and moderate skilled immigration the bottom 20% would see some
>        significant increase in their wages. But that increase would be
>        unlikely raise total prices by even a couple of percent. We don't
>        pay them that much. A 10% or 20% increase in their salaries won't
>        matter much to the rest of the population.
>      * That there are no substitutes for cheap labor. Again, wrong-o
>        sleigh bell lovers. Necessity is the mother of invention. In all
>        likelihood, faced with higher labor costs industry would be more
>        eager to develop and buy more capital equipment and to arrange the
>        methods of purveying goods and services to decrease the amount of
>        labor needed. In fact, we have an example available for what the
>        lack of cheap immigrant labor will do to an industry. [12]The
>        Australian wine industry is more automated than the American wine
>        industry due to lack of cheap immigrant labor in Australia. Ben
>        Franklin was right. We'd advance more rapidly without simple minds
>        available to do simple tasks cheaply.
>      * That there are no external costs to cheap unskilled immigrant
>        labor. And once again, wrong-o sleigh bell lovers. Low skilled
>        laborers can not afford to pay for their own medical care. They
>        don't pay enough in taxes to pay for the educations of their
>        children. They do not make enough to pay for their retirements in
>        the United States. The list goes on. Oh, and they commit crime at
>        higher rates. So they cost crime victims and also the criminal
>        justice system. A year for an inmate at Rikers Island in New York
>        costs $47,000. Criminals are expensive for the rest of us in many
>        ways.
>    The Open Borders advocates are deeply dishonest. America's elites are
>    corrupt. They lie. They can not be trusted. America is going down a
>    very wrong path. Our leaders in business and politics are to blame.
>    But so are apathetic members of the public. It is time to wake up and
>    demand a stop to massive immigration. The costs have become far too
>    high and will be with us for decades to come.
>    By Randall Parker at 2005 August 14 06:44 PM  [13]Immigration
>    Economics | [14]TrackBack
>    Comments
>    in vermont too. many more latinos work in oregon than 10 years ago
>    though, and i hear that similar things are going on in the south. i
>    suspect that for a variety of reasons the upper midwest and new
>    england (distance, climate, cost of living) will resist latino labor
>    the longest.
>    Posted by: [15]razib on August 14, 2005 08:55 PM
>    Resistance is futile. Viva La Rasa.
>    Posted by: [16]Mark on August 14, 2005 10:59 PM
>    There would be a net savings from reversing the antimerit immigrant
>    flow, some of which would be passed on to the consumers. If the bottom
>    20% gets paid so little that their wages could double without the rich
>    even noticing it, shifting 4% of the total income away from the top
>    80% over several years, that is a worthwhile price to pay. There is no
>    economic need to increase the size of the bottom end; it isn't about
>    money, it's about power. How to get power, when there are no ideas;
>    won't they use immigration to increase racial conflict, and say that
>    officials must have more power?
>    Posted by: [17]John S Bolton on August 14, 2005 11:26 PM
>    For some reason my trackbacks to this post don't take, so ping!
>    Posted by: [18]Dave Schuler on August 15, 2005 07:47 AM
>    Eastern Washington, North Idaho, and Montana are alot like Wisconsin
>    in that low end labor jobs are done primarly by whites. We have very
>    few illegal aliens in this part of the country. This is good because
>    we have much less of the "servant" culture that you see in California
>    and other places. People clean their own homes and often do their own
>    yard work. If you have someone else do these things, they are done by
>    outside services operating more like independent business people
>    rather than as "domestics". Not having the illegal immigrants means
>    that we have a much more "do it yourself" mentality than, say, in
>    Southern California.
>    I do not like that "class" mentality that illegal immigration has
>    produced in places like California and Texas. I think having distinct
>    social classes, especially if they are of different races, is very
>    destructive to the future of the U.S. The "open-borders" people need
>    to be grilled over this issue.
>    Posted by: [19]Kurt on August 15, 2005 10:01 AM
>    razib - don't underestimate the number of mexicans in the upper
>    midwest - chicago has the 2nd highest mexican population in the u.s.
>    after l.a. granted this isn't wisconsin, but....
>    randall - in a similar, practical manner that you approach alternative
>    energy solutions, i.e. can't tell people to drive less or other
>    inconveniences that would be a political non-starter in america today;
>    what would be your political platform for immigration that would be
>    politically feasible? i would love to know what you'd recommend,
>    having put considerable thought to this issue, assuming something like
>    you were an advisor to your senator. thanks.
>    Posted by: [20]Jim on August 15, 2005 01:22 PM
>    I spent a few days in Sierra Vista, AZ, a booming town about 15 miles
>    north of the Mexican border. Strikingly, the maids in my motel were
>    white, as were a lot of the other service workers. The answer to this
>    paradox is that Sierra Vista is within the narrow band heavily policed
>    by the Border Patrol. If illegal aliens are found there, they are
>    deported. But if they make it far enough north to Tucson or Phoenix,
>    well, they're Ollie Ollie Home Free.
>    Posted by: [21]Steve Sailer on August 15, 2005 02:03 PM
>    Jim,
>    Perhaps I don't understand your question. Politically feasible? I
>    think a candidate for the Presidency could run on a platform to deport
>    all the illegals and win. The dollar cost to the government of
>    deporting all the illegals would be pretty low.
>    The anger about the immigrant deluge is building. But politicians are
>    chasing the votes of Hispanics, the Democrats see them as a solid
>    Democrat voting bloc (and they are), and some business interests want
>    cheap labor.
>    I'd tell a US Senator to submit a bill to fund a barrier along the
>    entire length of the border. I'd also propose upping the number of
>    Border Patrol by 20,000 and setting them loose in the interior with
>    orders to round up all illegals. Congress should give instructions to
>    DHS to resume interior enforcement.
>    Posted by: [22]Randall Parker on August 15, 2005 03:33 PM
> References
>    9. http://nospeedbumps.com/
>   10. http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=334
>   11. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1791.cfm
>   12. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002778.html
>   13. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_immigration_economics.html
>   14. http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=2938
>   15. http://www.gnxp.com/
>   16. mailto:dfsf at hotmail.com
>   17. http://www.johnsbolton.net/
>   18. http://www.theglitteringeye.com/
>   19. mailto:kurt2100kimo at yahoo.com.tw
>   20. mailto:knuckleballnews at yahoo.com
>   21. http://www.iSteve.com/
>   22. http://futurepundit.com/
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