[Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin

Gerry Reinhart-Waller waluk at earthlink.net
Tue Aug 16 18:34:22 UTC 2005

I think all of us grew up with grandparents or such who arrived in the 
U.S. expecting to be part of the great melting pot that America 
offered.  Today, thoughts of merging have been replaced by ethnic 
diversity.  What ethnic divisions create is group hatred, one for 
another.  That's what is responsible for the crumbling of our society.

Gerry Reinhart-Waller

Steve Hovland wrote:

>It's eroding our society.
>I personally believe in the melting pot, not "diversity."
>Steve Hovland
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>More thanks for Frank's efforts. This is exactly right. The fast-food 
>restaurant where I get my lunch salad used to be staffed by ordinary 
>causasians, often with obvious mild retardation. They were good workers, 
>and I enjoyed them. Now I can barely understand the girl at the register 
>and sometimes I have to ask her to say it in Spanish because her English 
>is so poor. I am deeply discouraged and disillusioned by President 
>Bush's attitude about illegal emmigration.
>Premise Checker wrote:
>>Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>   2005 August 14 Sunday
>>   Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>   Over at [9]No Speed Bumps Dan reports on how [10]during a vacation
>>   trip in Wisconsin he found white people doing all the manual labor
>>   jobs that are done by Hispanics in Texas.
>>     Two weeks ago I vacationed near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. One thing
>>     strikingly different than living in Texas was that there were few
>>     Hispanics. In Texas, Hispanics are found in all walks of life, from
>>     doctors to janitors.
>>     With so many impoverished Hispanics illegally moving to Texas over
>>     the southern border each year, they have taken over most of the
>>     lower-skill jobs because they will work for less than American
>>     citizens. Go to any restaurant, hotel, or construction site and all
>>     of the basic manual labor tasks are being done by low-income
>>     Hispanics.
>>     Anyway, while on vacation, in the hotels we stayed in all of the
>>     maid staff and other help were white. The same was true of all of
>>     the restaurants we ate in, from the cooks, to the bus boys, to the
>>     grounds keepers. I felt like we were in a time machine and in a
>>     strange land.
>>     An interesting note about the maid staff at the hotels was the good
>>     cheer that they were in. They were constantly chatting among
>>     themselves and seemed very content as they went about their work.
>>     This reminded me that, yes, there is dignity to manual labor, and
>>     yes, white people can still do manual labor.
>>     This runs counter to the fashionable argument today justifying the
>>     open border policy with Mexico. The argument goes that America
>>     could just not function without all of the low-skill workers coming
>>     in to do all of the manual labor. Well, that is ridiculous. It may
>>     drive prices up some, if American citizens (whether white, black,
>>     or any other race) must do the work but the work will still get
>>     done, one way or another.
>>   One of the big whopper lies told by open borders advocates such as
>>   George W. Bush is that there are "jobs that Americans won't do". This
>>   is nonsense. One only need travel to those places where the bulk of
>>   the population is still white to see that this claim is false
>>   propaganda.
>>   As for the argument that a lack of cheap immigrant labor will drive up
>>   prices, it rests on three fallacies:
>>     * That low skilled labor makes up much of total costs. Wrong-o
>>       sleigh bell lovers. The bottom quintile of the United States
>>       population earns [11]only 3.5% of national income. 20% get 3.5%.
>>       If we deported all the illegal aliens and stopped all low skiilled
>>       and moderate skilled immigration the bottom 20% would see some
>>       significant increase in their wages. But that increase would be
>>       unlikely raise total prices by even a couple of percent. We don't
>>       pay them that much. A 10% or 20% increase in their salaries won't
>>       matter much to the rest of the population.
>>     * That there are no substitutes for cheap labor. Again, wrong-o
>>       sleigh bell lovers. Necessity is the mother of invention. In all
>>       likelihood, faced with higher labor costs industry would be more
>>       eager to develop and buy more capital equipment and to arrange the
>>       methods of purveying goods and services to decrease the amount of
>>       labor needed. In fact, we have an example available for what the
>>       lack of cheap immigrant labor will do to an industry. [12]The
>>       Australian wine industry is more automated than the American wine
>>       industry due to lack of cheap immigrant labor in Australia. Ben
>>       Franklin was right. We'd advance more rapidly without simple minds
>>       available to do simple tasks cheaply.
>>     * That there are no external costs to cheap unskilled immigrant
>>       labor. And once again, wrong-o sleigh bell lovers. Low skilled
>>       laborers can not afford to pay for their own medical care. They
>>       don't pay enough in taxes to pay for the educations of their
>>       children. They do not make enough to pay for their retirements in
>>       the United States. The list goes on. Oh, and they commit crime at
>>       higher rates. So they cost crime victims and also the criminal
>>       justice system. A year for an inmate at Rikers Island in New York
>>       costs $47,000. Criminals are expensive for the rest of us in many
>>       ways.
>>   The Open Borders advocates are deeply dishonest. America's elites are
>>   corrupt. They lie. They can not be trusted. America is going down a
>>   very wrong path. Our leaders in business and politics are to blame.
>>   But so are apathetic members of the public. It is time to wake up and
>>   demand a stop to massive immigration. The costs have become far too
>>   high and will be with us for decades to come.
>>   By Randall Parker at 2005 August 14 06:44 PM  [13]Immigration
>>   Economics | [14]TrackBack
>>   Comments
>>   in vermont too. many more latinos work in oregon than 10 years ago
>>   though, and i hear that similar things are going on in the south. i
>>   suspect that for a variety of reasons the upper midwest and new
>>   england (distance, climate, cost of living) will resist latino labor
>>   the longest.
>>   Posted by: [15]razib on August 14, 2005 08:55 PM
>>   Resistance is futile. Viva La Rasa.
>>   Posted by: [16]Mark on August 14, 2005 10:59 PM
>>   There would be a net savings from reversing the antimerit immigrant
>>   flow, some of which would be passed on to the consumers. If the bottom
>>   20% gets paid so little that their wages could double without the rich
>>   even noticing it, shifting 4% of the total income away from the top
>>   80% over several years, that is a worthwhile price to pay. There is no
>>   economic need to increase the size of the bottom end; it isn't about
>>   money, it's about power. How to get power, when there are no ideas;
>>   won't they use immigration to increase racial conflict, and say that
>>   officials must have more power?
>>   Posted by: [17]John S Bolton on August 14, 2005 11:26 PM
>>   For some reason my trackbacks to this post don't take, so ping!
>>   Posted by: [18]Dave Schuler on August 15, 2005 07:47 AM
>>   Eastern Washington, North Idaho, and Montana are alot like Wisconsin
>>   in that low end labor jobs are done primarly by whites. We have very
>>   few illegal aliens in this part of the country. This is good because
>>   we have much less of the "servant" culture that you see in California
>>   and other places. People clean their own homes and often do their own
>>   yard work. If you have someone else do these things, they are done by
>>   outside services operating more like independent business people
>>   rather than as "domestics". Not having the illegal immigrants means
>>   that we have a much more "do it yourself" mentality than, say, in
>>   Southern California.
>>   I do not like that "class" mentality that illegal immigration has
>>   produced in places like California and Texas. I think having distinct
>>   social classes, especially if they are of different races, is very
>>   destructive to the future of the U.S. The "open-borders" people need
>>   to be grilled over this issue.
>>   Posted by: [19]Kurt on August 15, 2005 10:01 AM
>>   razib - don't underestimate the number of mexicans in the upper
>>   midwest - chicago has the 2nd highest mexican population in the u.s.
>>   after l.a. granted this isn't wisconsin, but....
>>   randall - in a similar, practical manner that you approach alternative
>>   energy solutions, i.e. can't tell people to drive less or other
>>   inconveniences that would be a political non-starter in america today;
>>   what would be your political platform for immigration that would be
>>   politically feasible? i would love to know what you'd recommend,
>>   having put considerable thought to this issue, assuming something like
>>   you were an advisor to your senator. thanks.
>>   Posted by: [20]Jim on August 15, 2005 01:22 PM
>>   I spent a few days in Sierra Vista, AZ, a booming town about 15 miles
>>   north of the Mexican border. Strikingly, the maids in my motel were
>>   white, as were a lot of the other service workers. The answer to this
>>   paradox is that Sierra Vista is within the narrow band heavily policed
>>   by the Border Patrol. If illegal aliens are found there, they are
>>   deported. But if they make it far enough north to Tucson or Phoenix,
>>   well, they're Ollie Ollie Home Free.
>>   Posted by: [21]Steve Sailer on August 15, 2005 02:03 PM
>>   Jim,
>>   Perhaps I don't understand your question. Politically feasible? I
>>   think a candidate for the Presidency could run on a platform to deport
>>   all the illegals and win. The dollar cost to the government of
>>   deporting all the illegals would be pretty low.
>>   The anger about the immigrant deluge is building. But politicians are
>>   chasing the votes of Hispanics, the Democrats see them as a solid
>>   Democrat voting bloc (and they are), and some business interests want
>>   cheap labor.
>>   I'd tell a US Senator to submit a bill to fund a barrier along the
>>   entire length of the border. I'd also propose upping the number of
>>   Border Patrol by 20,000 and setting them loose in the interior with
>>   orders to round up all illegals. Congress should give instructions to
>>   DHS to resume interior enforcement.
>>   Posted by: [22]Randall Parker on August 15, 2005 03:33 PM
>>   9. http://nospeedbumps.com/
>>  10. http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=334
>>  11. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1791.cfm
>>  12. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002778.html
>>  13. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_immigration_economics.html
>>  14. http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=2938
>>  15. http://www.gnxp.com/
>>  16. mailto:dfsf at hotmail.com
>>  17. http://www.johnsbolton.net/
>>  18. http://www.theglitteringeye.com/
>>  19. mailto:kurt2100kimo at yahoo.com.tw
>>  20. mailto:knuckleballnews at yahoo.com
>>  21. http://www.iSteve.com/
>>  22. http://futurepundit.com/
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