[extropy-chat] PRECOG: The Smoking Gun is found..

[Samantha Atkins]

No, I don't think that he would have left office.  And I know that 
getting him out of office did not justify our invasion or the huge 
costs imposed on the American people for this misadventure.   If Saddam 
had left I would bet dollars to donuts that Busholini would have found 
another excuse to invade.

When you invade a country you can expect resistance from the people 
themselves, from any friends they may have and from anyone else that 
has a serious enough beef with the invaders.  Whether the rest of the 
world agrees with the invasion or not does not change this appreciably. 
    If your country were invaded would you give a damn how many 
country's diplomats supported the invasion?  I doubt it very much.

It is never benign for one nation to be the sole superpower by 
threatening to forever suppress the advancement of all other nations or 
organizations of nations to any level that might be competitive.  Nor 
is it benign for a superpower to do whatever the hell it wants simply 
because it cannot be paused by force.

Given the facts of no WMD in Iraq invasion was wrong regardless of how 
many nations did or did not agree.    So I concur that whether the 
action was right or wrong is separable from whether there was a larger 
consensus.

- samantha

On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Mike Lorrey wrote:

>
> --- Samantha Atkins <samantha at objectent.com> wrote:
>> What about our own unnecessary violence invading a country for no
>> worthwhile reason?  What about the needless deaths including of our
>> own troops? What about or own obvious duplicity and self-interest? It
>
>> seems to me we had a LOT more to do with what has recently occurred
>> in Iraq and at home than France did. It would be refreshing to see
> you
>> mention such things once in a while for just a bit more balance.
>
> Don't you think that if Saddam were faced with a united front of the
> international community, that he would have left office without all the
> destruction, bloodshed, and now the insurgency campaign? Instead, we
> get France promoting this idea that the US needs to be counterbalanced
> for the simple yet completely amoral pretext that it isn't a good thing
> for one nation, no matter how benign when compared to history, to be
> the sole superpower.
>
> This is as dumb, wasteful, and idiotic a rationale as deciding to
> disagree in a discussion only because one feels that if everyone agreed
> on something, it wouldn't somehow be 'right'. What the HELL is that 
> about?
>
> =====
> Mike Lorrey
> "Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
>                                        - Gen. John Stark
> "Fascists are objectively pro-pacifist..."
>                                        - Mike Lorrey
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