[extropy-chat] Cramer on Afshar

[Walter_Chen at compal.com]

I am still not sure who will be right eventually.
Basically I mean there should be something else as fundamental as the 4
forces 
at the beginning of the universe such that I can feel this world and my
existence now.
(Sorry, if people think this is just crap.)
Have you tried the book from Norman Friedman?
Bridging Science and Spirit: Common Elements in David Bohm's Physics, the
Perennial Philosophy and Seth.
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For centuries, humankind has tried to navigate between scientific and
spiritual conceptions of reality, 
often without much success. In the resultant confusion, scientists,
philosophers, and theologians have 
pondered and argued -- yet the separation remains. Norman Friedman
correlates 
the quantum physics of David Bohm with the Perennial Philosophy described by

Aldous Huxley and the spiritual insights of the channeled entity known as
Seth, to 
show how a single reality emerges from seemingly contradictory perspectives
-- a brilliant synthesis.
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I haven't had a chance to read it. But would like to know any insights from
this book.

Thanks.
 
Walter.
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> So I always think the so-called grand unified theory 
> of 4 forces is really missing some very important 
> ingredients consisting of life or consciousness.
> There is really something missing.
> Walter.

If you mean than man is older than science, you are
right. And if you mean that in "Nature" almost
everything can be seen as a transition between two 
boundary conditions (birth/death; preselection/postselection;
past/future; etc.) that is possible. But if you
wish to inject life and consciousness into measurements
which are performed by robots (at Cern), or by dogs
(down the road), or by nobody (zillions of seconds ago),
you are wrong, imo. And if you wish to inject life and
consciousness into equations you must be an artist.
s.

Ok, sometimes you can read bad things written by bad
scientist, such as Niels Bohr.

"For a parallel to the lesson of atomic theory regarding
the limited applicability of such customary idealisations,
we must in fact turn to quite other branches of science,
such as phychology, or even to that kind of epistemological
problems with which already thinkers like BUDDHA and LAO TSE
have been confronted, when trying to harmonize our position
as spectators and actors in the great drama of existence"
- Niels Bohr (Biology and Atomic Physics, Bologna 1938)

"Incidentally, medical use of psychoanalytical treatment 
in curing neurosis may be said to restore balance in the 
content of the memory of the patient by bringing him 
new conscious experience rather than by helping him 
to fathom the abysses of his subconsciousness"
- Niels Bohr, "Unity of Knowledge" - Address
delivered at a Conference celebrating the Bicentennial
of Columbia Univesity, N.Y., on 28 October 1954 -
Doubleday & Co., N.Y., 1954.






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