[extropy-chat] Qualia Bet.

[gts]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:22:17 -0500, Brent Allsop <allsop at extropy.org>  
wrote:


> Yes, I think we are very much in agreement with our philosophies.
>
> But please don't say phenomenal properties are outside of "the sum of all
> possible scientific knowledge" as this is clearly not true.

I am referring to objective intellectual knowledge, not applied science or  
technology.

> It's just that phenomenal properties cannot be adequately represented or
> communicated via abstract system based purely on causal properties.

Right, we don't disagree.

You've been wrongly criticized for saying these properties are non-causal.  
What you really mean is that direct knowledge of phenomenal properties  
(the actual first-hand experience of qualia) cannot be obtained via  
abstract science about causes and effects.

-gts