[extropy-chat] Qualia Bet.

gts gts_2000 at yahoo.com
Tue Nov 29 22:38:19 UTC 2005

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:22:17 -0500, Brent Allsop <allsop at extropy.org>  

> Yes, I think we are very much in agreement with our philosophies.
> But please don't say phenomenal properties are outside of "the sum of all
> possible scientific knowledge" as this is clearly not true.

I am referring to objective intellectual knowledge, not applied science or  

> It's just that phenomenal properties cannot be adequately represented or
> communicated via abstract system based purely on causal properties.

Right, we don't disagree.

You've been wrongly criticized for saying these properties are non-causal.  
What you really mean is that direct knowledge of phenomenal properties  
(the actual first-hand experience of qualia) cannot be obtained via  
abstract science about causes and effects.


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