[ExI] abandoning hope
David C. Harris
dharris234 at mindspring.com
Mon Oct 29 03:12:45 UTC 2007
This may help. According to
http://forum.wordreference.com/archive/index.php/t-90044.html, this
participant sounded authoritative:
22nd January 2006, 02:42 AM,
Tommaso Gastaldi:
Yes that's correct. The original is: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi
ch'intrate"
When we use it in speech (not rarely), we usually use the modern
version: "Lasciate ogni speranza o voi che entrate"
[but I guess that nobody could object if you use the original one!
In that case it's better to fully quote, otherwise one could think you
are mispelling, because "Lasciate ogni speranza" alone does not
necessarily refers to Dante :) ]
Esempi:
http://www.aduc.it/dyn/giannino/giannino_base.php?id=113241
http://fighe.iobloggo.com/
...
T, my memory definitely had it as "lasciate ogne speranza, voi
ch'intrate", Dante not having been that familiar with modern spelling.
I'm going to go look....all my books are in boxes at the moment.
This would seem to confirm "ogne"
http://www.cilea.it/~bottoni/inferno03.htm
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Amara Graps wrote:
> Eliezer:
>
>> Checked my version again. Still "Ogne". Not that I speak Italian.
>>
>
> Then either it is a misspelling, or an example of Dante's old Italian.
> It makes some sense, sort of. If one extends the singular/plural rules,
> 'Ogne' could be a singular adjective masculine (but then speranza should
> be masculine, and it's not.. hope is one of those singular feminine things),
> or a plural feminine adjective (but then speranza should be a mighty
> plural speranze and it's not),
>
> ..and anyway ogne isn't listed in my 2003 Garzanti (big dictionary
> of today's Italian) or any of my other dictionaries.
>
> Amara
>
>
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