[ExI] Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims - Telegraph

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"If england won't buck up in time - and there is still time - move to
America. It's what Ayaan Hirsi Ali did with the netherlands."

Not true. Hirsi Ali was quietly asked to leave. Note that she started out as
a socialist, moved to another party (the right side of the political party)
for career reasons, and ever since has been exploiting her unique status
as a credible ex-moslim. While I completely sympathize with her ideas,
she is moving fully career driven and told me so IN PERSON. Sure, she
believes about her ideals, she is completely true, but she says "I have
cleaned offices. Now I do thousand dollar speeches. One would be an idiot
not to grasp this opportunity."

Hirsi is just a well-integrated opportunist immigrant using whatever
opportunity
comes her way.

Hirsi Ali agitated against a small fringe of Islam, a lunatic minority of
conservative
nuts. Even though I am an avowed atheist, living in densely populated west
of the
netherlands, the idea that there is any serious problem is nonsense. The
only
problem in the netherlands is this area is insufficient integration of the
older
immigrants, racism in the workplace, weak politicians and politicians
actively
exploiting the issue.

Immigrant kids growing up in the netherlands are so completely westernized
that
whenever they visit Turkey or Marocco on vacations the local spit on them,
and
label them TRAITORS.

Sure Islam is a viotriolic, reactive force in international politics.
However in the
Netherlands Islam is the liferaft of a bunch of completely backward economic
losers.
Second generation immigrant kids in the netherlands have a choice of three
extremes:
spend a life in mental health care, selfmedicate on drugs or become a
muslim.
These are completely pathetic people and they have nowhere to go. To them
being a despised loser underclass in western europe is still far better than
having
to live in the third world - a third world that wouldn't even accept them
anymore
even if they tried.

This problem is categorically unsolvable through polemization or tighter
laws. You can
not terrorize immigrants back to their own country. You cannot forcibly
inject integration
into them. You cannot un-muslimize them. Without that last bit of ideology
they'd
desintegrate in a world they can barely understand.

Breaking immigrants simply will not happen, and the only alternative is
becoming a far
right dictatorship that breaks all international rules and deports
"undesirables". We all
know what the price of that is.

So the only solution is, for the US with tides of hispanic and oriental
people flooding
in, or in europe, with largely ignored and low-opportunity immigrants we
have (and
not many coming in) is integration, a slow, painful and arduous process
lasting
probably 2-3 generations. Live with it. Force them to learn the language.
Give them a
chance at making a living. Put them in prison when they fuck up. Slowly you
will
get results and by 2050 this problem will be a footnote in history.

The rhetoric that Europe is being taken over is obviously complete nonsence.
There
will never be a real islamic majority anywhere in Europe the next century.
Islam is
a marginalized fringe phenomenon and will remain so, even if we ignored it.

Preaching that Islam is taking over the world is a flimsy excuse, a
smokescreen to
push for quite other political ideals - Ideals I like even less than Islam.
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